according to the dutch news telgraaf so far 76 people that in a hotel disaster in mekka allah u naxariisto
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3141 ... Mekka.html
76 dead in makka
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[quote]Galol Sounds more like a hyena in Serengeti during the wildebeast season. God The Hunter. And like all hunters he is killing the weakest the dumbest, the defenseless. allah is evil.[/quote]
Galol, Allah is nothing but a man made God, he is like all those other idol Gods and stones of human past. He has no power and no means of doing anything, all suposed contributions of Allah are actually in the blind believer's head or just concidental.
its actaully quite simple that Allah is A stone God, I mean look at the Tawaf ritual during hajj, these people go around the kabah a rock, kissing and touching it as if it was Allah, AND WHAT IS WORSE, IS THAT ALLAH ACTAULLY SANCTIONS THIS FORM OF IDOL WORSHIP. Now why would the creator of the universe tell People to use a rock as a symbol of him? why must we always go back to the stone gods?
Galol, Allah is nothing but a man made God, he is like all those other idol Gods and stones of human past. He has no power and no means of doing anything, all suposed contributions of Allah are actually in the blind believer's head or just concidental.
its actaully quite simple that Allah is A stone God, I mean look at the Tawaf ritual during hajj, these people go around the kabah a rock, kissing and touching it as if it was Allah, AND WHAT IS WORSE, IS THAT ALLAH ACTAULLY SANCTIONS THIS FORM OF IDOL WORSHIP. Now why would the creator of the universe tell People to use a rock as a symbol of him? why must we always go back to the stone gods?
Somalilight
Why are you insulting our ALLAH? If you don't believe in him that is your problem. But there are many of us who worship HIm and believe in him. I think we , muslims, deserve respect.
Are you one of those somalis born muslim but who abandoned their religion? Leave us alone and let us worship our Allah. Statements like that are not worth uttering.
If you are not a muslim you can hardly understand the relationship between Allah and us. Or the significance of rituals. You have to be a believer to notice the importance of Hajj.
You don't have been a muslim to see the duality of faith based issues. Death-life, evil-good, etc. These are fundamental issues of any faith.
Galol, I asked you this question before: Were you born a muslim? Or are you a somali christian?
It angers us to read about your infantile rants on our faith. If you want to discuss some basic issues that relate to our faith, you ask questions and recieve answers. But belittling our faith and calling our beloved prophet names, insulting our Allah would result in insults (as I have noticed from people on SN).
Why are you insulting our ALLAH? If you don't believe in him that is your problem. But there are many of us who worship HIm and believe in him. I think we , muslims, deserve respect.
Are you one of those somalis born muslim but who abandoned their religion? Leave us alone and let us worship our Allah. Statements like that are not worth uttering.
If you are not a muslim you can hardly understand the relationship between Allah and us. Or the significance of rituals. You have to be a believer to notice the importance of Hajj.
You don't have been a muslim to see the duality of faith based issues. Death-life, evil-good, etc. These are fundamental issues of any faith.
Galol, I asked you this question before: Were you born a muslim? Or are you a somali christian?
It angers us to read about your infantile rants on our faith. If you want to discuss some basic issues that relate to our faith, you ask questions and recieve answers. But belittling our faith and calling our beloved prophet names, insulting our Allah would result in insults (as I have noticed from people on SN).
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[quote]Why are you insulting our ALLAH? If you don't believe in him that is your problem. But there are many of us who worship HIm and believe in him. I think we , muslims, deserve respect[/quote].
Caydid, ur a nice guy, I applogize if i have offended you in anyway. But the Post that Galol made asked a question which means everyone is open to answer as they wish. Now, If you have a better answer in your defense of Allah feel free to post it with ease. I just gave him an answer to why the worshippers met their awful death while praying to Allah. My answer was ALLAH does not equal God!!!
....and yours?
Caydid, ur a nice guy, I applogize if i have offended you in anyway. But the Post that Galol made asked a question which means everyone is open to answer as they wish. Now, If you have a better answer in your defense of Allah feel free to post it with ease. I just gave him an answer to why the worshippers met their awful death while praying to Allah. My answer was ALLAH does not equal God!!!
....and yours?
Somalilight
Galol's question is an age old question. It has been discussed by philosophers, theologians alike for nearly three centuries. I find it hard believing that you think this is a new question.
From a muslim perspective the answer is simple: Allah says does. Death is not a factor to fear. It is the begining of a new life (in the muslim philosophy if you do good deeds, you end up living a better life). Death at Hajj becomes something to look forward to because as a performer of hajj you are a decent muslim-and as such you begin your journey to heaven.
Galol's question is an age old question. It has been discussed by philosophers, theologians alike for nearly three centuries. I find it hard believing that you think this is a new question.
From a muslim perspective the answer is simple: Allah says does. Death is not a factor to fear. It is the begining of a new life (in the muslim philosophy if you do good deeds, you end up living a better life). Death at Hajj becomes something to look forward to because as a performer of hajj you are a decent muslim-and as such you begin your journey to heaven.
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salafi_student
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May Allah have mercy on them (Xujaaj) and grant them high states in Jannah. Amen
Somalilight, Galol
Kufr, Kufr, Kufr
May Allah guide you or destroy you from the face of this earth. Amen
Somalilight, Galol
Kufr, Kufr, Kufr
May Allah guide you or destroy you from the face of this earth. Amen
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Somalilight
Of course Allah and all the other gods exist only in the minds of those who believe in them. It is not a matter of god creatin man in his image it is the exact opposite.
No wonder every god reflects the characteritics and cultural nuisances of the society that invented him. Hence Hindu gods are culturally India valuing what Indians value in their culture. allah is no different - he offers the beauty of the camel as a copper-bottommed proff of his existence.
If Allah was invented in the Himalay you can it would have the Yak!
You noticed how Muslims, usually the world's biggest idolophobes indulge in an orgy of idol worshipping during hajj: going round big stone; running up and down other stomnes, throwing rocks at other rocks etc. This is no coincidence it was EXACTLY the way it wass done by the pagan meccans. Twaff was called well Tawaff. ka'abah was Ka'abah. So this idolatry of the first oprder. It will be almost beautiful if it was not marred by the confidence trick that Hajj is. this is the biggest organised mass robbery of the poor and the destitute.
Ceydid
Firstly you rep[resent no one but yourself so please the `we' muslims nonsense unless Cydid has royal ambitions of course.
Thank you addressing the point, although it took a prompting Somalilght. Your claim that people go there to die and that death is welcomed is disturbing and sickening. These people are mothers, husbands, brothers and sisters, lovers and uncles. Perhaps you did not give enough thought to this suicide-inducing hajj. May I suggest that any faith system that encourages its believers to spend their life-savings on one trip where they are then trampled to death by their fellow believers has got something wrong with it?
Lastly Ceydid you come across as fairly intelligent lad. Are you telling me with straight face that you literally believe in big sky god living in te seventh sky reachable through a spaceship in the shape of a winged white mule? Or perhaps you are no literalist but merely a Muslim through cultural inertia, ie you never gave it a thought you just accepted what your told by the culture you were born into?
If the latter is true here is a question for you: If your fathers and mother and society worshipped used car nbatteries would you have been a used battery worshipper today?
Now answers for you: I don't know about but I understand I was born a baby. Could you believe that? And babies have no gods or faith except the holy nourishing warmth of their mothers milk. OK sorry about teh sarkiness. I had members of my family who were devout Muslims. othesr were atheists and more others were not sure but made sure they broke the rules anyway. I never believed in Islam because I found the whole idea of flying angels talking to arab caravan drivers and gods obsessed with girls blouses waiting to torture in teh afterlife frankly Harry Potterish. How about you?
Of course Allah and all the other gods exist only in the minds of those who believe in them. It is not a matter of god creatin man in his image it is the exact opposite.
No wonder every god reflects the characteritics and cultural nuisances of the society that invented him. Hence Hindu gods are culturally India valuing what Indians value in their culture. allah is no different - he offers the beauty of the camel as a copper-bottommed proff of his existence.
If Allah was invented in the Himalay you can it would have the Yak!
You noticed how Muslims, usually the world's biggest idolophobes indulge in an orgy of idol worshipping during hajj: going round big stone; running up and down other stomnes, throwing rocks at other rocks etc. This is no coincidence it was EXACTLY the way it wass done by the pagan meccans. Twaff was called well Tawaff. ka'abah was Ka'abah. So this idolatry of the first oprder. It will be almost beautiful if it was not marred by the confidence trick that Hajj is. this is the biggest organised mass robbery of the poor and the destitute.
Ceydid
Firstly you rep[resent no one but yourself so please the `we' muslims nonsense unless Cydid has royal ambitions of course.
Thank you addressing the point, although it took a prompting Somalilght. Your claim that people go there to die and that death is welcomed is disturbing and sickening. These people are mothers, husbands, brothers and sisters, lovers and uncles. Perhaps you did not give enough thought to this suicide-inducing hajj. May I suggest that any faith system that encourages its believers to spend their life-savings on one trip where they are then trampled to death by their fellow believers has got something wrong with it?
Lastly Ceydid you come across as fairly intelligent lad. Are you telling me with straight face that you literally believe in big sky god living in te seventh sky reachable through a spaceship in the shape of a winged white mule? Or perhaps you are no literalist but merely a Muslim through cultural inertia, ie you never gave it a thought you just accepted what your told by the culture you were born into?
If the latter is true here is a question for you: If your fathers and mother and society worshipped used car nbatteries would you have been a used battery worshipper today?
Now answers for you: I don't know about but I understand I was born a baby. Could you believe that? And babies have no gods or faith except the holy nourishing warmth of their mothers milk. OK sorry about teh sarkiness. I had members of my family who were devout Muslims. othesr were atheists and more others were not sure but made sure they broke the rules anyway. I never believed in Islam because I found the whole idea of flying angels talking to arab caravan drivers and gods obsessed with girls blouses waiting to torture in teh afterlife frankly Harry Potterish. How about you?
Galol
I am not here to debate islam with you or any other person. I am a muslim but not a scholar. You pose simple questions that are easy to answer. Your questions concern the issue of why people worship (this is a classic case raised by many). This is not only a question for muslims but the billions who have some spiritual process. To know the reason why muslims worship Allah you need to understand the basics of faith. Islam, Judaism and christianity are based on the continuation of life after life and that it is there you are rewarded on punished for the deeds you do on earth.
The problems, deaths, evils you meet while you are alive are part of an examination that Allah takes you through. Coming to heaven is not an easy journey. You need to be put to test. Your soul need to be subjected to hardship.
Sky God? I believe in Allah. He is merciful, beneficient, all knowing. He is wrathful too. He created the earth. he created me to worship him to be rewarded. I have to wake up every morning to do what he has asked me. I am a human being and as such not error free. I repent and ask for his forgiveness.
Galol tell me what you believe in to make the points of a discussion.
Do you believe in science? notions of abstractions?
I am not here to debate islam with you or any other person. I am a muslim but not a scholar. You pose simple questions that are easy to answer. Your questions concern the issue of why people worship (this is a classic case raised by many). This is not only a question for muslims but the billions who have some spiritual process. To know the reason why muslims worship Allah you need to understand the basics of faith. Islam, Judaism and christianity are based on the continuation of life after life and that it is there you are rewarded on punished for the deeds you do on earth.
The problems, deaths, evils you meet while you are alive are part of an examination that Allah takes you through. Coming to heaven is not an easy journey. You need to be put to test. Your soul need to be subjected to hardship.
Sky God? I believe in Allah. He is merciful, beneficient, all knowing. He is wrathful too. He created the earth. he created me to worship him to be rewarded. I have to wake up every morning to do what he has asked me. I am a human being and as such not error free. I repent and ask for his forgiveness.
Galol tell me what you believe in to make the points of a discussion.
Do you believe in science? notions of abstractions?
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