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Agnostics. infedals, aethiests, apostates, agents
Folks don't you dearly think you guys are barking for the wrong tree to come to the muslim center and preach tactics and distorted versions of history from Fox News and alike?
if you are agents, don't you think you are getting paid worthless time?
If you are moral by any pricipal, let it be that of Hells Angels, don't you think your mission is nothing but noissy?
And finally, if you think you are buch of wackos and wierdos who could not fit in main stream moral society, do't you think you are no top of the wolrd?
This is the dispora life and that would probably be the right answer for all of these.
if you are agents, don't you think you are getting paid worthless time?
If you are moral by any pricipal, let it be that of Hells Angels, don't you think your mission is nothing but noissy?
And finally, if you think you are buch of wackos and wierdos who could not fit in main stream moral society, do't you think you are no top of the wolrd?
This is the dispora life and that would probably be the right answer for all of these.
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I don't know why only Agnostics. infedals, aethiests, apostates, agents bothering you, there's worse than them who are wasting their time and bad mouthing every thing here? I 've seen just few decent people here.
I was Agnostic for long time and I never bad mouth or try to spread my beliefs. My beliefs are my beliefs. I ask no one to join. If too many join, (don’t think I have to worry about that) it would become an “Organized Political Religion, which I don't like it. So I don't know why you think they are here to spread their beliefs? I see them like rest of us, they are here to kill time and chit chat with others around the world and exchange the idea and opinions.
I was Agnostic for long time and I never bad mouth or try to spread my beliefs. My beliefs are my beliefs. I ask no one to join. If too many join, (don’t think I have to worry about that) it would become an “Organized Political Religion, which I don't like it. So I don't know why you think they are here to spread their beliefs? I see them like rest of us, they are here to kill time and chit chat with others around the world and exchange the idea and opinions.
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Re: Agnostics. infedals, aethiests, apostates, agents
[quote="BarelyYoung"]Folks don't you dearly think you guys are barking for the wrong tree to come to the muslim center and preach tactics and distorted versions of history from Fox News and alike?[/quote]
Speaking only for myself, almost everything I ever said about Islam was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I don't watch Fox News. In fact, I don't watch TV altogether (except for sports).
I don't know 'versions' of history, only true history and revisionist versions.
This is Somali site, not Muslim site. I'm not a memeber of any muslim site.
I don't bark, dogs bark. I'm human, hence can't and don't bark. Definitely not at trees.
I don't preach.
I'm just curious, who the hell are you addressing?
Certainly not me!
Speaking only for myself, almost everything I ever said about Islam was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I don't watch Fox News. In fact, I don't watch TV altogether (except for sports).
I don't know 'versions' of history, only true history and revisionist versions.
This is Somali site, not Muslim site. I'm not a memeber of any muslim site.
I don't bark, dogs bark. I'm human, hence can't and don't bark. Definitely not at trees.
I don't preach.
I'm just curious, who the hell are you addressing?
Certainly not me!

Re: Agnostics. infedals, aethiests, apostates, agents
[quote="dhuusa_deer"]
Speaking only for myself, almost everything I ever said about Islam was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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talk about been big headed!
if you speak only the truth, whos truth is it? or is it the truth that best suits your needs and most conveniant?
Speaking only for myself, almost everything I ever said about Islam was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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talk about been big headed!
if you speak only the truth, whos truth is it? or is it the truth that best suits your needs and most conveniant?
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Barely Young,
You wrote: "Folks don't you dearly think you guys are barking for the wrong tree to come to the muslim center and preach tactics and distorted versions of history from Fox News and alike? "
My answer to you is that many intelligent and discerning people question the world around them. Sometimes they even find answers.
I think you would do well to read more here before concluding that what you are reading is inappropriate to the site.
I may have a hard time proving it to you, but if that "agent" comment was aimed at me, you are wrong.
This is the General Discussions Forum. The Islamic forums are ahead of this one on the Forum menu. If you are looking for purely Islamic contacts and information, I suggest you check them out.
Grant
You wrote: "Folks don't you dearly think you guys are barking for the wrong tree to come to the muslim center and preach tactics and distorted versions of history from Fox News and alike? "
My answer to you is that many intelligent and discerning people question the world around them. Sometimes they even find answers.
I think you would do well to read more here before concluding that what you are reading is inappropriate to the site.
I may have a hard time proving it to you, but if that "agent" comment was aimed at me, you are wrong.
This is the General Discussions Forum. The Islamic forums are ahead of this one on the Forum menu. If you are looking for purely Islamic contacts and information, I suggest you check them out.
Grant
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Re: Agnostics. infedals, aethiests, apostates, agents
[quote="biko"][quote="dhuusa_deer"]
Speaking only for myself, almost everything I ever said about Islam was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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talk about been big headed!
if you speak only the truth, whos truth is it? or is it the truth that best suits your needs and most conveniant?[/quote]
the one that is consistant with reality and the weight of available evidence points to. you know you really have to stop putting up strawman after another. that is not an arguement.
Speaking only for myself, almost everything I ever said about Islam was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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talk about been big headed!
if you speak only the truth, whos truth is it? or is it the truth that best suits your needs and most conveniant?[/quote]
the one that is consistant with reality and the weight of available evidence points to. you know you really have to stop putting up strawman after another. that is not an arguement.
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[quote][quote="The rebel"]
I was Agnostic for long time .[/quote]
The rebel ....R u sure you are not still agnostic?? I mean-- u certainly are not a muslim. [/quote]
Basra, is there some authority that I can get a prrof from to proof that i'm a Muslim?
Allah knows what is in my heart, so don't worry about me. If you can't contribute to this thread, please refrain from making irrelevant posts and (unnecessarily) making this thread longer than it should.
I was Agnostic for long time .[/quote]
The rebel ....R u sure you are not still agnostic?? I mean-- u certainly are not a muslim. [/quote]
Basra, is there some authority that I can get a prrof from to proof that i'm a Muslim?

Allah knows what is in my heart, so don't worry about me. If you can't contribute to this thread, please refrain from making irrelevant posts and (unnecessarily) making this thread longer than it should.
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[quote="biko"]:lol:
am only going by what your saying. like i said before, each to their own.
your talking about facts, but our facts is totaly different to yours
your talking about reasoning, again your reasoning is not compatible to our reasoning and reality.[/quote]
again, nonsense and a complete red herring. Show me HOW 'facts' are subjective. What the hell is the matter with you, are you seriously this dumb? What is so 'subjective' about YOUR existance, the truth of your existance or the 'facts' of your existance. As I said before, there is such as thing as 'objective' reality/truth. You, me and every existing person is hard PROVE for it.
You need to study 'objective' knowledge (pun intended), then we can have a meaningful discussion.
Start with axiom of non-contradiction or self-refutation regarding the existance of ANY entity!

am only going by what your saying. like i said before, each to their own.
your talking about facts, but our facts is totaly different to yours
your talking about reasoning, again your reasoning is not compatible to our reasoning and reality.[/quote]
again, nonsense and a complete red herring. Show me HOW 'facts' are subjective. What the hell is the matter with you, are you seriously this dumb? What is so 'subjective' about YOUR existance, the truth of your existance or the 'facts' of your existance. As I said before, there is such as thing as 'objective' reality/truth. You, me and every existing person is hard PROVE for it.
You need to study 'objective' knowledge (pun intended), then we can have a meaningful discussion.
Start with axiom of non-contradiction or self-refutation regarding the existance of ANY entity!
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[quote BIKO]am only going by what your saying. like i said before, each to their own.
your talking about facts, but our facts is totaly different to yours
your talking about reasoning, again your reasoning is not compatible to our reasoning and reality[/quote]
Biko, what facts Are you talking about? WE all have the same book, any piece of work is going to lose meaning and have variations when you have numerous people giving opinions about it. Are you saying the Quran is not sufficient as it is, and that The words of Allah must be modified by man to make any sense to him, Yet your allah countless is claiming it is CLEAR and TRUTH. SO who am I to believe? Allah or YOu, infact the HEll with both of you, since Allah is no better than the worst human being.
example: Hitler, and numerous humans have slaughtered children and lineage of families to rid of future paranoia , just as well Allah comands Kadir to execute a boy, barely of age and innocent out fear he may become one of the "bad " ones in the future. This raises two questions,either Allah is not that powerful, and has no knowledge and like the rest of us reacts out of rage and inpulse only after the fact has occured. Or Allah is truly so evil that he will create an innocent child, for the purpose of slaughter and example for rest of the world that some seeds are better thrown out.
...this was my moment of truth, for this very reason I had to accept that Allah was not God.
..so what does Moses do when he is done his moment of truth with al Khadir?, well he leaves very depressed and unsatisfied with Khadir 's reasoning,(surah 18:74-80). The according to hadiths
, Moses leaves and meets death, after slapping death in the face, he apologizes, and then refuses to die. Allah decides to grant Moses life approxoimately equal to the number of hairs he can rip of a cow nearby, after ripping the hair, moses decides the he would like to forget it and just die instead.
..all this shows Allah's cruelty, amdist talk of mercy.
If the book is the word of allah , thats all the facts i need. I don't need you to interpret and say no he really meant this. The book is sworn by Allah to be clear, and i can only use these facts, and the facts show a human goD. Or are you all doubting allah's wording and transmision of the Quran and that it is dramatic and confusing? well here it is, the verses swearing on the clearity of the book you have all deemed hard to understand.
[26.2] These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear
27.1] Ta Sin! These are the verses of the Quran and the Book that makes (things) clear
[28.2] These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.
15.1] Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book and (of) a Quran that makes (things) clear.
this repetition.....and it goes on and on.
your talking about facts, but our facts is totaly different to yours
your talking about reasoning, again your reasoning is not compatible to our reasoning and reality[/quote]
Biko, what facts Are you talking about? WE all have the same book, any piece of work is going to lose meaning and have variations when you have numerous people giving opinions about it. Are you saying the Quran is not sufficient as it is, and that The words of Allah must be modified by man to make any sense to him, Yet your allah countless is claiming it is CLEAR and TRUTH. SO who am I to believe? Allah or YOu, infact the HEll with both of you, since Allah is no better than the worst human being.
example: Hitler, and numerous humans have slaughtered children and lineage of families to rid of future paranoia , just as well Allah comands Kadir to execute a boy, barely of age and innocent out fear he may become one of the "bad " ones in the future. This raises two questions,either Allah is not that powerful, and has no knowledge and like the rest of us reacts out of rage and inpulse only after the fact has occured. Or Allah is truly so evil that he will create an innocent child, for the purpose of slaughter and example for rest of the world that some seeds are better thrown out.
...this was my moment of truth, for this very reason I had to accept that Allah was not God.
..so what does Moses do when he is done his moment of truth with al Khadir?, well he leaves very depressed and unsatisfied with Khadir 's reasoning,(surah 18:74-80). The according to hadiths


..all this shows Allah's cruelty, amdist talk of mercy.
If the book is the word of allah , thats all the facts i need. I don't need you to interpret and say no he really meant this. The book is sworn by Allah to be clear, and i can only use these facts, and the facts show a human goD. Or are you all doubting allah's wording and transmision of the Quran and that it is dramatic and confusing? well here it is, the verses swearing on the clearity of the book you have all deemed hard to understand.
[26.2] These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear
27.1] Ta Sin! These are the verses of the Quran and the Book that makes (things) clear
[28.2] These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.
15.1] Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book and (of) a Quran that makes (things) clear.
this repetition.....and it goes on and on.

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