Christianity

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:30 pm

The Rebel and the rest of the guys,

Do you know something about Christianity??

I love to watch History channel and Discovery channels..so I watched this documantry last night were they talked about Cain and Abel(Qaabil & Haabil) , I also watched another one where they talked about some books that were ommited from the bible, like the book of Enoch, that of Jubilee and some others.

Did anyone see this by any chance, i found it very very intresting.

For instance I learned that the Bible was constructed/written around 330 A.D when Constantine the Emperor who defeated the Roman Empire at the time gathered all the christian scholars and asked them to gather all the christian gospels/books...and that there was a big fight between two of the most revered scholars at time where one considered Jesus to be just a human being while the other was saying that Jesus was God. You all know what they ultimately chose!

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:45 am

I think that those versed with this subject are not here, so i will wait for their reply..however I deduced from this documentry that what the Quran says about the Judeo-Christians and how they changed their Bibles to the point of claiming Jesus to be The Lord hence the revealing of Surat Al Axad, and many other verses of the Quran about that subject.. Maashaa Allaah.

Troublegirl · Post by **Troublegirl** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:30 am

I believe Christianity is a true religion. It preaches pretty much the same stuff as Islam...........untill it was revised and tampered with. Old testamen, New testamen, "we are still thinking about what to add in it" testamen, Lost testamen, etc.........

Christians cannot seem to get the fact that ISLAM is the last and true religion. The QURAN is in its original form and 1 single alphabet hasn't been changed.

Insha Allah they will see the light one day Smile

wesley · Post by **wesley** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:25 am

The religion most refer to as Christianity is nothing more than apostasy thus the name Christendom is more accurate.

The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:27 am

Cawar, thank you for the wonderful topic. I'm sorry this morning I had to run to work. It was 7:30 am my time. I almost forgot that Eid holidays finished and I had to bring my butt in the office Very Happy

When I was confused, I tried Christianity as I said before there was something in Christianity couldn't sit with me. I did courses 'comparative religion'. The courses were about the three Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and compare them to get better understanding with each other.

Back to the topic I read the Bible more carefully (with a concordance by my side to tell me the meanings of the original words instead of the translators' beliefs, from what I understood from what I studied, the Bible is not like Kuran. It is not a revelation that came to one person to be compiled by him alone or by his followers. The Old Testament consists largely of historical records, the laws (revealed to Moses), and the prophecies later on. I think we may safely assume that all the authors had the intent of worshipping God. It was not written at one sitting, and no one person claims that the title of author. The New Testament was compiled by various authors as well.

The four gospels (Injeels), Matthew, Mark, Luke and John found in modern day translations, revisions and edditions of the holy bible contain only bits and peices of the origional injeel. The origional injeel has been added to and subtracted from by human efforts.

Keep in mind also that the complete injeel never made it into the origional manuscripts and for that reason were never placed in the canon or bible.

Intruder · Post by **Intruder** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:28 am

[quote="The rebel"]When I was confused, I tried Christianity as I said before there was something in Christianity couldn't sit with me.......[/quote]

Confusion is the main purpose of religions and when it succeeds in confusing the soul, the soul resorts to submission, which is the end result desired by those propagating religion. So I see you will remain confused until you divorce yourself from the concept of embracing blind faith.

tWiStED_aNgELL · Post by **tWiStED_aNgELL** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:44 am

WHATS WITH ALL THIS CHRISTIANITY BULLSHIT....AREN'T YOU PPL MUSLIM Shocked

The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:49 am

[quote]Confusion is the main purpose of religions and when it succeeds in confusing the soul, the soul resorts to submission, which is the end result desired by those propagating religion. So I see you will remain confused until you divorce yourself from the concept of embracing blind faith.[/quote]

I appriciate your reply but I'm not confused any more. I'm 22 years old and I went to school to understand what I was confused and I found the answers I was looking for. I am happy with my self.

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:51 am

Twisted Angel,

Nothing is wrong with learning about other religions. Smile

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:51 am

[quote="wesley"]The religion most refer to as Christianity is nothing more than apostasy thus the name Christendom is more accurate.[/quote]

Wesley that is an interesting statement,
would you care to explain.

[quote]I appriciate your reply but I'm not confused any more. I'm 22 years old and I went to school to understand what I was confused and I found the answers I was looking for. I am happy with my self.[/quote]

Mashalah, glad you are spiritually content.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:29 pm

Keep in mind that Christianity is more than six hundred years older than Islam, and that for the first three hundred and thirty years it was just a vilified minority Jewish sect.

It is also a good idea to put this discussion in some historical perspective. In 70 AD the Romans conquered Judea, destroyed the Herodian Temple, enslaved the Jewish people and removed many of them to Europe. Without the Temple, Judaism ceased animal sacrifice and became the Rabbinic faith we know today. Christianity spread underground with it during a period of great confusion and religious pain.

It is clear that some concepts of Mithraism, Zoroastrianism and Egyptian Isis/Osiris worship did get mixed up in the early texts. There is one gospel (not in the Bible) that claims Issa was homosexual, and another that claimed he was married to Mary Magdalene and had a child who established the line that became the Merovingian kings of France (The DaVince Code).

Christians have to be very careful when they try to figure out what Issa actually taught. Perhaps this explains why there are so many varieties of "Christian" today, and why they nearly all claim that the message got distorted.

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I consider myself to be in the Abrahamic tradition, but not of any particular faith. Perhaps it would be easier to call me secular, but with religious values.

I notice that the Islamic concept of Taqwa is much closer to a Jewish approach to God than it is to the Christian. If I understand things correctly, Muslims fear God, Christians love God, and Jews fear God but would like to love Him.

There is also a gender issue. To Muslims and Jews, God has no gender. To Christians, God is definitely male. They pray to "Our Father who art in heaven..." Mormons go one step further: "As man is, God once was; and as God is, man may yet become." They think they also have a Mother in heaven.

Comparative religion is no science. The more you know, the more you don't know. And it is almost too personal and too dangerous to discuss.

Laakiinse, I am familiar with much of the Bible. If you have specific questions, I may be able to help.

Grant

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:30 pm

Keep in mind that Christianity is more than six hundred years older than Islam, and that for the first three hundred and thirty years it was just a vilified minority Jewish sect.

It is also a good idea to put this discussion in some historical perspective. In 70 AD the Romans conquered Judea, destroyed the Herodian Temple, enslaved the Jewish people and removed many of them to Europe. Without the Temple, Judaism ceased animal sacrifice and became the Rabbinic faith we know today. Christianity spread underground with it during a period of great confusion and religious pain.

It is clear that some concepts of Mithraism, Zoroastrianism and Egyptian Isis/Osiris worship did get mixed up in the early texts. There is one gospel (not in the Bible) that claims Issa was homosexual, and another that claimed he was married to Mary Magdalene and had a child who established the line that became the Merovingian kings of France (The DaVince Code).

Christians have to be very careful when they try to figure out what Issa actually taught. Perhaps this explains why there are so many varieties of "Christian" today, and why they nearly all claim that the message got distorted.

------------------------------------

I consider myself to be in the Abrahamic tradition, but not of any particular faith. Perhaps it would be easier to call me secular, but with religious values.

I notice that the Islamic concept of Taqwa is much closer to a Jewish approach to God than it is to the Christian. If I understand things correctly, Muslims fear God, Christians love God, and Jews fear God but would like to love Him.

There is also a gender issue. To Muslims and Jews, God has no gender. To Christians, God is definitely male. They pray to "Our Father who art in heaven..." Mormons go one step further: "As man is, God once was; and as God is, man may yet become." They think they also have a Mother in heaven.

Comparative religion is no science. The more you know, the more you don't know. And it is almost too personal and too dangerous to discuss.

Laakiinse, I am familiar with much of the Bible. If you have specific questions, I may be able to help.

Grant

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:31 pm

So u are a kaafir then?

"I consider myself to be in the Abrahamic tradition, but not of any particular faith"

Nice way to say my other nickname is Mad-Mac. Laughing

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:35 pm

I have never said otherwise.

Mad Mac? Noooo....

Search some of my other posts, Wadne.

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:40 pm

[quote]I notice that the Islamic concept of Taqwa is much closer to a Jewish approach to God than it is to the Christian. If I understand things correctly, Muslims fear God, Christians love God, and Jews fear God but would like to love Him.
[/quote]

The Sufi tradition in Islam has gone the furthest down the road of
"Love of god".
Some may say to excess.

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Waryaa Libaaxo behave Laughing

Mad Mac is a Daosit, as he claims.

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