Would Warlords be accounted for?

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Every now and then, I come across a mother (in the West) whose child (any gender) strayed from the right path, be it religious or cultural, and everytime that child causes her some grief, she resorts to cursing the Warlords who caused and are the root of her plight. That mother reminisces the days of her youth and the environment she grew up, comparing that to the one her children are exposed to, she laments about the lack of a place she could call home and raise decent family, she attributes the misery she is going through to the warlords, claiming that if it wasn't for what they subjected to her, she would still be in a state of tranquility and not worrying about her children's upbringing. Most claim that they never dreamt of living in Kaafiristan but circumstances beyond their control forced them to migrate and seek refuge in where fate brought them today.

Therefore, does the warlord who is responsible of the atrocities that this mother fled from, has a share of the said children abandoning their birth faith, and would they be accounted for in the hereafter?




P.S. Do you think DD, Somalilight (if they are indeed 2 different ppl) and the others who are like them, who shed their birth faith in the West for lack of guidance and for the exchange of a morsel of food would have been different had they never been out of Somalia?

[gurey25]

i believe thier athiesm starts in childhood,
but you are right they would probably have played around at bieng mulsim had they stayed in Somalia.

[ayqeerto]

niikiis ma kasee lug laawe xaaj :lol:

[Basra-]

You can raise decent family anywhere.The earth belongs to Allah not Gaalo. These somalis are just guilty because face it--they were NEVER good parents to beging with-- culture used to raise kids-- now that there is another culture in the neighborhood-- they freaking out!

[San_dheer]

Luggoyo, that is too hypothetical. Those warlords are gonna rot in hell for their evil deeds but I don’t think they will be held accountable for DD turning atheist . I believe he would still be a kafir if he was in Somalia. Maybe he wouldn’t express or voice his believes as freely and eloquently as he does now or call himself what he does, but he would still be a kafir.


Gurey, no one is born an atheist. It is choice. All children are born Muslims or monotheists.

[biko]

the warlord might share some of the blame of making this people flight 13 victims but after them the responsibility lies with the parent, the kids, the whole family and the community.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"] P.S. Do you think DD, Somalilight (if they are indeed 2 different ppl) and the others who are like them, who shed their birth faith in the West for lack of guidance and for the exchange of a morsel of food would have been different had they never been out of Somalia?[/quote]

Let's be rational here and think lucidly through what you're saying.

Is Islam a religion or a cultural/social system? It can't be both at the sametime? Cultures are man made, religion are supposedly 'revealed.' They don't evolve and are complete instructions for all times. The culture of somalia existed long before Islam.

If Islam is a religion, then us rejecting it has nothing to do with which cultural context we make that decision.


If Islam is cultural, then our turning away from Islam it is for cultural reasons, not religious. In other words, Islam is not religion at all. It is man made system of ethics and behaviour.

Which is it?

[Lord Diplock]

I am afraid most warlords will get away with their crimes.

[biko]

but is will catch up with them; if not now, on the final show down!

[LionHeart-112]

Seriously, these parents just want some1 to blame for their lack of leadership and parental guidance. I know plenty of parents both Muslims and Non-muslims who raised wonderful kids in America. I know American christians (baptist denomination) who act and behave better than lots of Muslims. If you don't talk to your kids, gangsters will do talk to them. If you don't raise your kids properly, some1 else will raise them for you.

I know Somali kids who were born in Canada or North America who are at the Masjid day and night. Then you see Flight 13 somalis who smoke weed, drink and frequent nightclubs...

It's the parent's fault.

Not the warlords's

Not America's

Not TV's

Besides, who said kids in Somalia don't stray? Weren't the warlords and their thugs once children?

The truth most somalis don't want to hear is that somali parents are horrible at parenting. It's rare to see a somali mom/dad befriending their kids.

And about Atheism, like Gurey said , it's something that starts as a child. Some1 or something that happened to them when they were little is making rebel against their beliefs..There is really no such thing as atheism. Every1 believes in a creator. Some choose to deny him.

[Lord Diplock]

[quote="biko"]but is will catch up with them; if not now, on the final show down![/quote]

let hope so brother. who else in their sane mind would 'elect' a warlord to lead a country that he has contributed to its demise? you just couldn't make it up mate

It is sad but true, crime pays.

[Basra-]

No--no no ---let them not pay anything.Let all of us name our babie s....Aideed, Abdilahi yusuf, Siyaad Baree & Cato.I mean--at least they are not the Gaalos.

[Suhaylah]

Children are born in a state of purity and then their parents teach them to be believers or unbelievers.It is obligation and duty of the parents to teach thier children so that they grow up to be believing, practicing Muslims. The major 'institution of learning' for each child is his family, and the major 'professors' of this institution are the parents.How do you expect children to be moral in the west when most of their parents know nothing about Islam ? Some Somali parents blame all their problems on the West. I hate to break it to you if your daughter is sleeping around, it's not because of west it's because you failed to raise your daughter right with morals; same goes if your son or daughter is Atheist , drug dealer or user. Somali's are all about this superficial and shallow tribalism pride . Preserve it in your kids and teach them the right way.

I was born and raised in the west, and I fall into the category of I have the utmost respect for all religions and since I'm Muslim I reserve my greatest respect for Islam.

[LionHeart-112]

^^some of the best Muslims i have ever met were actually born and raised in teh West. And i aint talking about muslim reverts, but somalis, arabs and pakis whose parents came here in early 80's.

[Cawar]

[quote="Basra-"]No--no no ---let them not pay anything.Let all of us name our babie s....Aideed, Abdilahi yusuf, Siyaad Baree & Cato.I mean--at least they are not the Gaalos. [/quote]

Basra

You know you'll be the first one to name her child Ashlee or Zac..whats up with the sarcasm??


Lugoyo

Are you crazy?? The warlords are just being praised and bribed by destroying the country...didnt you see how they all became Misnisters, MPs, and even Presidents??

Ninkii wax haystaa wax loogu daraa.