To Lioness: AIDS in the Muslim World

[dhuusa_deer]

The goal of this post is to dispel the false believe that muslims are morally suprior, that faith in Islam predicates behaviour... muslims being less prone to wayward sexual behaviour that spreads communicable diseases like STDs. The article below looks at published study by National Bureau of Asian Research. Take note of the AIDS infection rate for promiscuous and morally decadent Europe (0.3%) and morally suprior N. African and Arab muslims (also 0.3%).

Below the article is link to the source of the study (UNAIDS).


Muslim nations face rising threat of AIDS
By P. Parameswaran
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESS
July 4, 2005


AIDS threatens to overwhelm many predominantly Muslim countries, whose leaders remain in a state of denial of crisis, doing little to stem the deadly problem.
In one of the most comprehensive reports on AIDS covering the Muslim world, analysts warned of serious repercussions if governments continued to ignore the crisis.
A report released by the Seattle-based think tank, the National Bureau of Asian Research, said: "If leaders continue to ignore the problem, AIDS could debilitate or even destabilize some of these societies by killing large numbers of people in the 15-to-49-year age group."
"What is especially troubling to behold is the reluctance to admit that Muslims engage in exactly those same dangerous behaviors that support the transmission and spread of HIV/AIDS elsewhere," the report said, blaming "deeply rooted cultural and religious attitudes."
"This reluctance even to recognize the problem will only accelerate the epidemic and make it more difficult for the international community to provide meaningful support and treatment."
This would deprive the Muslim countries of some of their best, brightest and most economically productive members, say Laura Kelley and Nicholas Eberstadt, authors of the report.
An infectious-disease specialist, Miss Kelley previously had undertaken AIDS research for the U.S. National Intelligence Council and had studied other diseases for the U.S. Agency for International Development, the principal foreign-aid agency of the United States. Mr. Eberstadt is a scholar at American Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based think tank.
"An important take-home message for all Muslim nations is that real behaviors on the streets are sometimes in marked contrast to the expected behaviors of good Muslims, and that is something that leaders in these countries must deal with," Miss Kelley said.
The report said that even though the Muslim world was riven by premarital sex, adultery, prostitution, homosexuality and intravenous-drug use -- which help spread the HIV virus that causes AIDS -- many governments have been slow to respond to the rapidly spreading disease.
"We would have thought the Muslim world was in a sense vaccinated from this kind of pandemic, but in fact, the dreadful news is that it is not," said Michael Birt, the director of the Center for Health at the National Bureau of Asian Research. "Now with the Muslim world becoming involved, it is truly a global crisis."
Miss Kelley proposed "sweeping legal changes" to reduce the social stigma associated with the disease and protect the AIDS sufferers in Muslim nations "to ensure them medical treatment, employment and discourage suicide."
The Muslim world of more than 1 billion people covers three continents -- from Albania and Turkey in Europe, across countries bordering the Sahara in North Africa, and through the Persian Gulf and South Asia to Malaysia and Indonesia in the East, the report said


Officially, the Joint United Nations Program on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) estimates the total HIV population of North Africa, the Middle East, and predominantly Muslim Asia at nearly 1 million people.
At the end of 2003, UNAIDS estimated that as many as 420,000 people in Mali, 180,000 in Indonesia, 150,000 in Pakistan, and 61,000 in Iran had HIV/AIDS.
"Those numbers, however, are severely understated," Miss Kelley and Mr. Eberstadt said in a separate report in Foreign Policy magazine, published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.
They said UNAIDS figures depended upon surveillance data -- "thus a lack of information can be taken as a lack of infection."
UNAIDS data on the number of people living with HIV/AIDS is completely missing for Afghanistan, Turkey and Somalia, "all nations with large numbers of at-risk populations," they said.
The study cited Iran and Bangladesh as having Muslim governments that seem to be combating the problem effectively.


http://www.unaids.org/en/default.asp

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

I wonder what make you think that we pay attention or read what you write!!!!!

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="The_Don_of_djibouti"]I wonder what make you think that we pay attention or read what you write!!!!![/quote]


I didn't write the article!!!!!!

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

I know dd.

Even if you copy a passage from the koran I(certainly) would not read or pay attention because of you..

However i would still reply you with hate

[San_dheer]

I hope you are not gloating about what is in that article.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="San_dheer"]I hope you are not gloating about what is in that article. [/quote]


No need to gloat. I merely presented facts which are, of course, denied of their existance by YOU muslims.


One question that bothers me though. Why is the AIDS infection rate for Europe and the sampled Muslim world identical (0.3%)

[Grant]

This is a shameless bump. Everyone needs this information.

[LionHeart-112]

DD...First of all, that's not the ifnormation i asked for. I asked to show me proof of teenage pregnancy crisis in the muslim world, not AIDS infection rate.

Secondly, europeans are more educated about stds and also use condoms which is why their rate is muc much lower. Imagine, if condoms were available like they are in the muslim...the infection rate in muslim countries would be 0%.....So just because the rate is the same doesn't mean muslims are having as much sex as the europeans. It says after all the condoms and protections europeans have they are still getting infected and the tiny minority of muslims who have pre-marital sex are contracting diseases.

[dhuusa_deer]

Lioness,

Didn't I predict that you'd dismiss ANY facts I present to you? It looks that is EXACTLY what you doing. You're shameless and hence why no one will take you serious. You ask for evidence I give you the evidence and then you ask evidence for something.

AIDS is contracted mainly through sexual intercourse, in particular with ppl you don't know. So the AIDS infection rate in the muslim world tells that muslims are no better 'morally' behaved then nonmuslims. And if any explanation is required for why it isn't very well know fact, it is because muslims are adept at concealing their social ills then others. Not that the aforementioned ills are nonexistant.


You asked of me to give EVIDENCE showing consonnance in sexual behaviour between the West and the Muslim world. All I'm required to provide to support my position is cite ONE evidentiary stat regarding sexual behaviour. Period. Like it or not, AIDS infection rates reveal society's attitude towards sex.

Had you read the article in full, you would've discovered that PART of the reason why AIDS infection rates are so high and are projected to increase in the future is DENIAL. Just like you're doing right now. How can muslims be educated about sex and condoms when sex education is a taboo... and muslim governments deny the serious risks posed by AIDS and withhold vital information from muslims?

[LionHeart-112]

Well then you must be getting smarter if you can predict exactly what i'm going to say.

You knew damn well i was going to dismsis your dumb ideas because that's exactly why you posted them.

Like i said, either post what i asked for, which was statistics on teenage pregnancy or shut your AIDS infested atheist mouth.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Waryaa LH,

Kan kugu khafiifay muxuu ahaa? Every thread he initiates is either about you or is expecting and soliciting your contribution Is this some kind of shukaansi aanaan garanaynin? War iska reeb waxa qudhunkiisa

[LionHeart-112]

SL....He is trying to get some of his credibility back by finally answering my questions and providing me with facts, instead of crazy rants about ladders to the sky. He spent the last 8 months dodging my questions and make false claims. He is trying to redeem himself, i believe.

He is trying to win back my affection. But that won;t for as i'm a muslim man who doesn't swing that way despite all the right signals i send.

[surria]

The individual could have been biased in his categorization. For example, he/she may have used the riches % of western developed countries compared to the poorest % Islamic countries. There is a difference when it comes to disease infection rates between the developed and the developing or the underdeveloped countries and to compare them both is defective. Now, the HIV/AIDS infection rate is quite low in predominantly Muslim countries, as suppose to none Muslim countries. Also, one must take into account the percentage of none Muslims living in each Muslim country. For example, if you have a country with a 50% Muslim population, does that qualify it as a Muslim country, if so, what about the other 49+1% of the none Muslims? There are so many ways to look at this.

[LionHeart-112]

Surria..DD just keeping digging a deeper hole for himself. He knows damn well aobut the true statistics, isntead he chose to try and feed some bullshit article written by some asian institute. Where's the known insititutions like the CDC?

All you really have to do is look at the map of AIDS infected regions of hte world and the muslim world is always colored with light colors as opposed to non muslim neighboring coutnries who are colored with very dark colors...

[Cawar]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="San_dheer"]I hope you are not gloating about what is in that article. [/quote]


No need to gloat. I merely presented facts which are, of course, denied of their existance by YOU muslims.


One question that bothers me though. Why is the AIDS infection rate for Europe and the sampled Muslim world identical (0.3%) [/quote]

The answer is ver simple. In Europe ppl are more aware of contaceptions and how to prevent/avoid the infection while in muslim countries we have few impoted prostitues and some lost locals and those like you(closeted atheists and sinful muslims) who are willing to pay them for sex...thats why you see the low %s...and btw your article says it threatens not it infects...which in anycase is exagerated and biased like many other studies the UN does .