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we can inflick misery upong Danish society but would that be enough or/and would that be satisfying in terms of indulging our anger trigger'd by their stupid caroons?...

as a muslim, my point is, its ok to cause as much material damage as possible to Danish societies but DO not killing no Danish people.. I am against killing Danish people because not all of them are responsible of what's happened....

They have gotten the message and that should be enough.

Why are they just targeting the Danish, why not the Norwegians, Spanish, German, French and Italian embassies too. At least Denmark apologised for causing offence.


This is going a bit too far. Violence is not the answer.

quote="San_dheer"]Why are they just targeting the Danish, why not the Norwegians, Spanish, German, French and Italian embassies too. At least Denmark apologised for causing offence.
This is going a bit too far. Violence is not the answer. [/quote]

San-dheer

I second to that, and let me ask "American" Homer, why not America too?

Homer

Salaam mate, and long time no see. Did you find Runlow?

Homer, do you know that the American Right Wing Christians such as Hal Lindsey, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell said worse ugly things about our prophet pbuh and the Quraan, declaring that our prophet pbuh was "a possessed terrorist, and Satan wrote the Quraan"? Those right wing Christian theologians with the consent of the Bush administration teach about "Armageddon", and the "messianic", and think during this “war on terror”, Jesus pbuh will return. They feed to their followers these lies about Islam creating a war fever among them, and that is why they tear Islam down to be seen as an "evil religion".

“Jerry Falwell declare(d) on national television that Mohammed was a terrorist and Christians believe there will be no peace in Jerusalem until the second coming of Jesus, the time for silence on such religious arrogance is over.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1019-03.htm

(google for Pat Robertson and others)

What will American Muslims do? Bomb every Right Wing Christian Church in the U.S? Why don’t American Muslims lobby other Muslims to ban consuming American products? Should American Muslims and non-American Muslims apply collective justice and burn American owned businesses and interests? Isn’t that what we Muslims complain about? If we say that all Muslims shouldn't be punished, or Islam villified because of the actions of a few terrorists, how can we justify punishing whole countries for the actions of one newspaper, and (a bigger and powerful organization than the Danish nespaper) the American Christian Right? If we are going to punish the Danish, why not the Americans? Are the Americans exempted to villify Islam and prophet Mohamed pbuh? Is it one rule for the Americans, and another for others, or are Muslim Americans too scared when it involves America’s interests? Isn’t this hypocorism?

Muslims have a duty to speak out against evil, corruption and injustices whether it is done by their fellow Muslims, or their non-Muslim hosts such as Denmark or the Americans. I find it very interesting when Muslims say that only a few extremists are acting badly and we shouldn't judge a whole religion according to their actions. I have to say that I agree. It's called respect, and not all people practice it. Then why do we have to punish nations for the acts of inviduals and corporations? Why not only those specific haters?

This whole Islamphoebe originates from the neo-coservatives (Bush & Co)and their Right Wing Christian allies in America. Forget about freedom of speech, it has nothing to do with it, and not worth the paper it is written on it. It is a common courtesy to not insult the founder of a faith or, a religion, but some powerful people with vested interests in America do it all the time. Should we keep punishing Denmark and not the American Christian Right, who as an organization (including a Media arm and other businesses) are much bigger and larger than the Danish newspaper? Mate, if you want to kill a snake, it is wiser to kill from the head and not from the tail.

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Do you know Qofka Rasool Allah (sall Allahu Calhy w salam) Caaya Dhiigisu (IN ISLAMIC SHAREECA) waa xalaal !!!!!!!! that means it is xalaal for me and any muslim Oo Dhiig leh oo u Qiiroday inu Qalo, dilo, qarxiyo etc etc that spesific person that is ...

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I advice to some brothers and sisters to get some Dhiig ==>

So far 4 people have died from riots caused by these cartoons, according to the radio , 3 in Afghanistan { clashes with the police} and 1 dead in Somalia.

SoMaLiSiZz, injustice is not xalaal. What you said is wrong, unjust and very immoral. Killing people who haven't done anything to you is not right no matter what they believe in. The prophet gave refuge to many non-believers and the Quran talks about justice on several occasions. What you said has no basis and you should refrain from such cruel and unjust ideas.

San dheer, you have a very valid point there.

Personally I was in greater outrage when the quran was burnt/rubished and flushed down the toilet in the aftermath of 9/11.

What a bunch of loonies ? Did u guys forget about Akhiiro ?

[quote="San_dheer"]SoMaLiSiZz, injustice is not xalaal. What you said is wrong, unjust and very immoral. Killing people who haven't done anything to you is not right no matter what they believe in. The prophet gave refuge to many non-believers and the Quran talks about justice on several occasions. What you said has no basis and you should refrain from such cruel and unjust ideas.[/quote]



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re-read what I said I did not say anything about injustice, I said Whom ever slander Rasool Allah Dhiigisu waa xalaal what is so hard to believe ..? this is the Law of Sunat Allah W Rasooluh ..


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بأبي أنت وأمي يا رسول الله

Some of the views expressed in this thread are not that much different from the ones expressed by the islam-hating athiests and christian and jew zealots.

Ugaas

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Kill a muslim and so don't be suprised if there's a dead jew. They boycott muslim nations we do too. They burn iraq and now we realize lets burn there properties on our soil.

I agree. I wasn't refering to you brother.

I can't change the word format that I saved on this when I wrote, so spare with me if it is too wide-screen for you to read.

SomaliSiz

Salaam sis, and all Muslims agree that the Danish cartoon has offended our freedom of belief. We don't like any drawings, pictures, paintings or any depiction of our beloved Prophet pbuh. Moreover, to depict our prophet as a stereotypical Islamic TERRORIST is disrespectful to all Muslims. However, your ilk, the fatalistic politicized fanatics possess morphed beliefs about Islam, and are only taking advantage of this misfortunate cowardly act to achieve your fantasies of bloodshed, and that is why you are more hostile than me. I can't help that, neither can many Muslims, and that is not Islam's fault, it is just your sheer ignorance. Where is the proof? Why don’t you guys go and kill that Somali b.itch Ayan Hersi who said worse things than the Danish cartoons? Practice what you preach, and go and kill her, you are a Muslim too. Or, you are a coward who only wants to incite weaker minds here to do your heinous murderous fantasies, on your behalf?

You guys fail to see something very important. How would have our Prophet Mohamed pbuh reacted to this? Considering of his character, we are sure that he wouldn't have reacted like you with such anger. He would have followed Allah SWT orders and not a political or, cultural motivated Sheikh. Anger is forbidden in Islam, but you parrots seem to ignore that.

Qur'an 6:68 "And when you (Muhammad SAW) see those who engage in a false conversation about Our Verses (of the Qur'an) by mocking at them, stay away from them till they turn to another topic. And if Shaitan causes you to forget, then after the remembrance sit not you in the company of those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists/wrongdoers)"

This is echoed in the following verse:

Qur'an 4:140 "And it has already been revealed to you in the Book (this Qur'an) that when you hear the Verses of Allah being denied and mocked at, then sit not with them, until they engage in a talk other than that"

So, your claims are based on ignorance and personal agendas and not based on Islam. If Allah SWT commanded that if His own Words are being mocked, then ignore them, how can us Muslims put prophet Mohamed pbuh above Allah's SWT Words, and kill those people in their own countries? Without Allah's SWT Words, there would have been no purpose for our prophet pbuh. It is just sheer ignorance.

Let's all remember to learn from the words of Abu Bakr ra:

"O people, whoever worshipped Mohamed, tell him Mohamed is dead. But for him who worships Allah, Allah is living and never dies."

Islam doesn’t advocate the killing of a Dane, American or a Thai who defamed Islam, or, the prophet pbuh in their own country, it is Muslims like SomaliSiz and her ideals that do. They are fallible, lazy and full of desire and hatred. The point of Islam is to provide a path to a better way. I'll tell you that the roots of the violence that SomaliSiz and others here are advocating without any proof from the Quraan, or Sunnah are cultural in origin. There is a disconnection in tribal cultures, and we for example are primarily tribal. For them, honor is more important than morality and justice according to the Quraan, and that is part of our cultural fabric. It is not limited to us, either. You will find this disconnection in non-Muslim societies too. The Ku Klux Klan are an honor based violent Christian group who kill blacks to “preserve the honor of the white people”. So, let us not talk from our emotions and fantasies. We have some Somalis who are naturally addicted and attracted to people who could justify violence on the name of Islam. That is why the Danish cartoon controversy is hijacked by the likes of SomaliSiZ and her ilk, and this is all about control and who speaks for us (Muslims).

Who is Abu Laban? Can any Danish Somali enlighten us further information about this Danish Imam?

Those cartoons were published in September last year, and has anyone ever bothered to ask why the outrage, vandalism and death in February? Why is it only became an issue when Imam Laban traveled to the Middle East to get people excited about some cartoons that appeared in a obscure Danish publication several months ago? Much more offensive cartoons than the Danes were published showing our noble prophet Mohammed pbuh “having sex with a pig and other really over the top cartoons.” What about the American Far Right Christian Coalition who have offended Allah SWT and our prophet pbuh far worse than the Danish paper? Who reacted to it first? Saudi Arabia. The same Saudi Arabia that not only tolerated the Christian Right in America, but has backed George Bush who is a member of that Christian Right Coalition. There are allegations throw that Imam Laban had to throw in and fake some extra cartoons into the mix to make sure he could screw over his adopted country of Denmark. If those allegations are true, then, indeed he did succeed in screwing over Denmark, but that also helped get few Muslim people killed and really made Islam look bad. Ignorance is a bliss, let us not jump to conclusions.

"A Muslim religious organisation in Denmark, Islamisk Trossamfund, played a large part in bringing attention to the cartoons to Muslims of the Middle East during a recent tour; allegedly, it added three additional images to the group and claimed that they had been published in Jyllands-Posten as well. [57] These three images are all considerably more obscene than the published cartoons, and none of them had previously been published by Jyllands-Posten or any other mainstream media outlet. On February 1 BBC World aired a story showing one of these three images, and incorrectly claimed that it had been published in Jyllands-Posten. [58]

Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the Danish-based European Committee for Prophet Honouring[59] which co-organised the tour, claimed to be unaware of the origin of the three pictures and said that they had been sent by unknown persons to Muslims in Denmark. Arkkari purported to justify the use of the three drawings as providing "insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims." However, when Akkari was asked if the Muslims who had received these pictures could be interviewed, Akkari refused to reveal their identities.[60]"

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-P ... d_cartoons

Finally, there is some positive light on this issue: Danish Muslims-Accept Newspaper’s Apology.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060131/ap_ ... N1YmNhdA--

Do you know that in August '05 “A radio station in Copenhagen has had its broadcasting license taken away for 3 months after calling the extermination of Muslims”?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4159220.stm

wow, that is so true, who would not agree, violence in blaine sense is not the answer, and by being violent we give the christian a better hand, because they would see that we are not practicing Islam, they would look at us and say look at them they are terrorist, if they get so mad a picture what would they if something bigger were to happend.