WITHOUT RELIGION

[Galol]

This is the most profound and truthful statement I ever heard.

"without religion there will be good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things takes religion"

Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prizewinning Physicist.

[Galol]

"The Vengeful"

One of allah's names, the holy quran.

[SomaliLight]

Galol, you are just provoking these wimps HUH? All this weekly complaining, and they are just begging to be mentioned by your greatness...

[Basra-]

Steven Weinberg......Ooops Happens to be a JEW!


And who else identifies himself so MUCH with religion than a JEW???? Uncle Galol u are hilariousssss

[maria from west side]

[quote="Galol"]This is the most profound and truthful statement I ever heard.

"without religion there will be good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things takes religion"

Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prizewinning Physicist.[/quote]


What's with u and religion?...Every post u made is about religion, u always talk about religion 24/7. Why discuss it if u are against it.

[dhuusa_deer]

Without religions, the Gods would reward intellect.

[Galol]

Somalilight

I write to see the `light'


DD

Be craeful. Inna Laha la cadaabin shadiid("Allah tortures very hard")

Holy Quran.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Galol"] DD

Be craeful. Inna Laha la cadaabin shadiid("Allah tortures very hard")

Holy Quran.[/quote]

But he is also merciful AND just. Well I won't evend dare to speculate which one he'll be on my day of judgement.

Just to let you know I LOATHE Russian roulette!

[DamallaXagare]

Are you saying religion is a card the evil people sometimes use to appear themselves white? Whereas a situation without religion, people from both sides of the coin--Vices and Virtues--can live in harmony based on their moral understanding of what is right and wrong.

How can we find a common moral restraint to better our lives and that when it is violated, a punishment could be ruled against the violator, and restitution for the offended.

Your idea seems to support the theory of anarchism.

[Galol]

DamalaXagarre

Au contraire. I am saying religion makes good people do evil things so religion must be wholly or partially evil in its core.

I am at loss to understand how lack of religions will somehow lead to anarchism.

But nice post anyway.

[Intruder]

Religion is the greatest hindrance to human progress, the so called Kufaar acknowledge that centuries ago, the adopted a governing model that calls for the separation of religion and state. This model ensured that free thinkers can never be persecuted for challenging devious ignorance ideas and religious taboos propagated by centuries of biblical BULLSHYT. No doubt those free thinkers are the reasons why the so called Kufaar have progressed in medicine, science, aviation, maritime exploration and much more.

Religions aren’t only evil but they also breed ignorance.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="DamallaXagare"] How can we find a common moral restraint to better our lives and that when it is violated, a punishment could be ruled against the violator, and restitution for the offended. [/quote]

We don't need RELIGION for moral restrain since morality comes from empathy.

I think killing is wrong becuz I don't want to be killed
I think stealing is wrong becuz I don't want to be stolen from
I think lying is wrong becuz I don't want to be laid to
I corrupt leaders are bad lot becuz I don't want to be served by them


You see the pattern? Empathy is the source of morality, not religion. Ethics, of course, comes from communal consensus.

[Gacalisa]

you athiests need real help, you cant find other excuses to what you do, so you try to is not religion. religion is what runs the world, whether urs is right or wrong, why do you think atheist are like 3% of the world populations, and real intellects have some sort of believe.

[Galol]

Intruder

I stand corrected. Of course most religions were probably intended to do good. Having said that I have a strong suspicion that most religious Gurus were driven by the same fundamentals that drive men today: power, sex, money, greed and perhaps a little idealism. Jesus was perhaps the most benign(from the very little we think we know about him) of the gurus from teh middle east yet he too must have had delusions of grandeur for claiming to be the King the Jews were waiting for. He paid his bid for power with his life. Moses was just another nationalist revolutionary trying to liberate his people from Egyptian rule. A mandela with bit of god attached. We know Muhammed had pwerful sexual motives as well as an ambition to restore his clan to power in mecca, power `usurped' as he saw it by the Abu Sufyan Ummayads(His gandfather who brought him up and whom he adored was replaced by Abu sufyan as Mecca Mayor).

But of course Jesus also fought for the poor and against the money lenders and city bankers. Che of his time if you like. Noble? yes. But did it have power and sex behind it? probably. both are by their nature vehicles for potential evil.

But I acknowledge they are not necessarily evil at their core as I claimed. I do get carried away on occassion.

[Demure]

Even without religion they would be evil people exploiting other well meaning causes. Here's another thread where you probably won't find many on the fence. It's either amazingly obvious that God wants us to live our lives in a certain way and has left instructions or a channel through which to heed them, or it's amazingly obvious that the whole thing is not so holy and scientifically explainable. I'm well convinced that you can't persuade anyone of either notion through conversation at this day and age. For usually both groups are inflicted with the stagnant mentalities you either have faith or you don't.

Historically people created religion to accept the unexplainable, and it's something that gives them a calming effect to their restless souls imagining the after death. For surely science till today does not explain everything in this universe, maybe it would 1000 years from today, but not as of yet.

Personally I believe in one God (say I have that elusive faith) however, I have reservations with some aspects of the religion, Ex; the female issue, slavery...etc.
But again what can the average person do in the way of a ruthless mercenary disguised as anything holy and good or the other ruthless force that interfers in your spirituality, condemns your idealogy per it stands a hindrance to their newly found light, Science..?