A sincere quest

Caydid · Post by **Caydid** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:47 pm

Assalamu calaykum somalinet users.

First and foremost this topic I am about to introduce has nothing with clanism. It is about an issue that is often discussed with some kind of clan feelings. In the process there is little rational employed; little breathtaking , mind boggling; little analysis.

I want us to break that trend, visible in discussion forums. My objective is to bring to the surface the advantages, disadvantages, the risks, the tribulations and the likelyhood of events.

The somali people (in almost every part of Africa, and the diaspora) have suffered during the last twenty years. We have shed the blood of our own. We have become our own enemies. We have used tribalism to crash innocent lives, to divide us and much more.

There is no where in somalia that has not tasted the killings, the murders, the rape and the bombardments. Some of these atrocities were committed in the name of a nation; others in a bid to rid an area of a dictator. But that is history.

Many somalis have never been to the "jamhuuriyada la magac baxday" somaliland. Yet many of us have some kind of collective guilt towards the people of somaliland. Somalilanders , appear to blame anybody but themselves. In fact with all due rights. But many of us never participated in the killings. Most somalis were victims by then or became victims shortly thereafter.

The debate in the somaliland media and intellectuals is one of divorce. The media outlets and the half intellectuals appear to have a medicine to somaliland's problems: independence. What is in independence? Somaliland , according to reports is already a viable democracy.
The problem with independence as I see and as has been proved by previous histories is that it causes mayhem. The cohesion that exists could be broken and before long it is clan against clan.

Many nations that have been divided in history have reunited. Taiwan is about to do that. Hong Kong is part of china; germany is united. Soon Moldavia would be part of Romania. Europe is united.

What ya say?

Thanks

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:56 pm

I'm all for unity. I do, however, want Somaliland to remain a separate state till the south gets its shit together. We are all Somalis. What Af-weyne did shouldn't be forgotten but we shouldn't blame all southerners either.

United & Peaceful Somalia is my dream too.

Will it happen? Allah (swt) aclam but i doubt it.

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:03 pm

Ceeyddi

Calleykuma Salaam

Disregard LionHeart, he is not a Somalilander and don't believe him. Laughing

Since no Somalilander has commented, let me be the devil advocate, and start from 1960 and begin our discussion that the mariiage was mutual and wasn't based on force. Since that marriage disintegrated and the South are engulfed with a never-ending civil war, logic states that Somaliland's best interests lie in seperation. Let us first concentrate on the unity and prosperity of the South.

Caydid · Post by **Caydid** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:04 pm

Lionheart, what I find difficult to understand is the fact that many somalis already live in countries that have little in common with somalia. They are seen by the rest of the world as SOMALIS. A frenchman does not differentiate between somaliland and somalia.

I am kind of tired of the hatred that is stired by many "intellectuals" and qabiliste who shows the people of the south as enemies of the north.

Caydid · Post by **Caydid** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:07 pm

Mowhak, There are pockets of peace and prosperity in the south too. Walaahi the economic development that Mogadishu is going through is unparalleled.

It is about sticking together.

The people who have killed in the name of the somali nation are dying , some have died. Many of us were not participants to the conflicts.

Nassab · Post by **Nassab** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:10 pm

I was talking to a friend of mine from somaliland recently and he told me something that made me laugh hysterically, he said a/hi yusuf approached cigaal (aun) and asked, what if puntland and somaliland unite and become one. cigaal being the diplomat he always was, answered, but sir, with all due respect, you and your ppl are the reason we are seceding, we have no problem with other somalis.

this is not the right time for somali south to talk about why and how somaliland can or can not secede or what the expectations in store for somaliland is, it's time where the south should focus in putting their mess together, maybe then, and only then will there be a window for negotiations

Caydid · Post by **Caydid** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:16 pm

Nassab,

Logic states that if you brother is suffering you should do everything to help. You wouldn't leave him to die a slow death- right???

Why didn't somaliland take the leadership role? Why didn't the leaders there declare a declaration of a new state called somalia? Many of us don't mind Hargeisa becoming the capital city.

Gacalisa · Post by **Gacalisa** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:20 pm

i dont think there should be a differetiation between somaliland and somalia, still we are the same people, i also dont want somalia to seperate more than we alredy are. next thing you know each reagion wants to be on its own, then there would not be a somalia, but mini somalias.

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:20 pm

[quote="Caydid"]Mowhak, There are pockets of peace and prosperity in the south too. Walaahi the economic development that Mogadishu is going through is unparalleled.

It is about sticking together.

The people who have killed in the name of the somali nation are dying , some have died. Many of us were not participants to the conflicts.[/quote]

Ceeydiid

Most of Somalia is anarchic and till now, it seems to be ellusive that Somalis will agree to form a government, and compare that to the governing process in Somaliland? Mate, this doesn't make sense to me, but is a genuine noble idea shared by many Somalis including many Somalilanders. At the moment, it seems like you are suggesting marrying a dysfunctional suicidal person.

Gacaliso

Consider Somali to be like Arab or Chinese. There are many different Arab nations, and also you can be a Burmese, Thai, Malaysian, Singaporean Chinese without identifying with the mainland.

same · Post by **same** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:35 pm

ThereÃ¢Â€Â™s no question about the Somaliness.
IÃ¢Â€Â™m not sure if Somaliland will be better off after independence,
I think I agree with LionHeart the way he put it.

Galol · Post by **Galol** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:49 pm

Ceydid

For a change a serious topic, bad heading though. Perhaps you can repost the thread with Somalia/Land: Unity or Division? or something to that effect. Then you will get more responses.

I will reserve my comments for later.

Dhaga Bacayl · Post by **Dhaga Bacayl** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:51 pm

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:27 pm

Flood busting--bringing up good topics according to me taste.

Galol · Post by **Galol** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:37 pm

Good idea.

Caydid · Post by **Caydid** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:52 pm

It is here!