Somalia better off than during 1980's?

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:53 am

http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

fagash_killer · Post by **fagash_killer** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:34 am

are you sure although somalia had than a recognised dowlad but we had a bad regime

salafi_student · Post by **salafi_student** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:54 am

Gurey,

are you an anarchist?

Post by **AbdiWahab252** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:29 am

Gurey... Its an excellent article. One of the best posted so far on SNET.

Keep up the good work saxiib.

This article brought back memories of how my family had to bribe some Marexan dudes to get Letters of Credit from the National Bank even though we owned very successful commercial businesses. We once had to bribe this fat Marexan guy 10% of any foreign currency that we wanted to pull out of the Bank. In a given year that amounted up to 10,000 USD which was a lot back in 1988.

Gedo_Boy · Post by **Gedo_Boy** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:52 am

yeah but you have to take into consideration all the remittance money sent back annually....which amounts from what I hear to nearly 1 billion US dollars.

plus this shows that Somalia might be better off w/ a strong regional rule and administrations that handle most things, with a federal government that handles general national & foreign policy

Gedo_Boy · Post by **Gedo_Boy** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:53 am

Abdiwahab252,

maybe that's true 'n it's unfortunate, but how are isbaaros different?

Post by **AbdiWahab252** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:13 pm

Isbaaros are no different except that they don't have government sanction. A isbaaro is individually operated. During the Siyaad days, the whole government became a tool to plunder the civilian population...

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:52 pm

Wouldn't it be nice if the Mareexaans were the problem of the country?
In that case we would have been better off... If they were the ones that were responsible for the problem of our country...... Because they are not in Mogadisho anymore...

Unfortunately that was not the case...We Somalis in general do not know the difference between Halaal and Haraam...basicaly every Somali who held a position in our country from 1960-1990 was a corrupt and the more they looted the better name they had.... Hebel waa nin rag ah oo cadkiisa goostey... Sad

that is the reality with no bias to any group. As a matter of fact Wasiirkii ugu tuugsanaa Dawladdaas was not even Mareexaan Exclamation

The same goes to the so called businessmen. All they did was to corrupt the system bribing every loser...

We can never be better off now. Unless Allaah SWT uu ferej inoo furo. Everyday a Somali intellectual is killed, nobody knows who are the killers.. .. Melez arms every group and tells them he is with them....Aids is spreading like you can't even imagine...We became the dumpster for the toxic waste.... Human trafficking is at its highest level... imagine how many children are trafficked in those man made airports?

I wonder how can anybody say we are better off with Anarchy?? Sad

Samatr · Post by **Samatr** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:57 pm

Kambuli while some families were chilling in Xamar, some of us had curfews and that was the least of the problems.
So yes, ANARCHY is better than a government which carpet bombs its own citizens.

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:07 pm

Samatr,

That information is common knowledge. Every Somali knows what happened in Somalia. But mind you some of those who were chilling in Mogadisho are the ones who are claiming to have had Curfews Exclamation

That is what I have a problem with Sad

Xaggan iyo Xagganba..... Alla maxaa mid labada canba ku cantuugey imika kiiska iska waalaya Laughing

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:08 pm

Samatr,

That information is common knowledge. Every Somali knows what happened in Somalia. But mind you some of those who were chilling in Mogadisho are the ones who are claiming to have had Curfews Exclamation

That is what I have a problem with Sad

Xaggan iyo Xagganba..... Alla maxaa mid labada canba ku cantuugey imika kiiska iska waalaya Laughing

And there is no way on earth that anarchy is better than even the worst government!

yasmin507 · Post by **yasmin507** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:18 pm

noo cuz atleast we had goverment.
abdi hutu what did ur ppl done 4 the country nuttin' they destroyed their own city hamar Laughing

haha and we still kickin' in it got our houses back and runnin' busenesses Smile

somaliwen 4life somalia

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:28 pm

[quote="salafi_student"]Gurey,

are you an anarchist?[/quote]

Technicaly no.
I believe in government,
but only on the condition that the government is as small as possible
and with minimum power.

Samatr · Post by **Samatr** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:33 pm

Thats easy for you to say Kambuli
nin aqalkiis lagu xukumo iyo nin xoriyad leh, ka xoriyada leh ayaa labada sharaf leh.
Anoo yar baa la ii geeyay Hargeysa dadkii oo baastoolad lagu xukumayo aan arkay, Xamarna waan arkay, walaahi waxaad moodi laheed Xamar inay aheed wadan kale dadka Hargeysana sidii shisheeya ayaa loola dhaqmaayee.
Waxaana naga dhaadhicinaysaa xaalada somalia inay ku fiicneed dowladii hore.

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:08 pm

Samatr,

No it is not easy for me to say. I just stated a fact And I want to repeat it. Alla maxaa mid ku raaxaystey Xamar oo labada canba ku cantuugey haddeer leh waa la I dhibi jirey....Those people are now in Hargeysa and in everywhere else... And the sad part is some of them are the top/high ranking guys in Hargeysa... Somehow our people are happy and satisfied when the aggressor is from their clan.... We should collectively abhor all kinds of abuse from the government regardless of their tribe..... Surprised

And I repeat it again... dulmigii dhacay ee ilaa hadda ka socda Somaaliya qofna looga sheekeyn maayo... Laakiin waxaan diidey kuwa dulmilayaashii hore iyo kuwan dadqalatada ahba ka midkaa ahaa ee iska beri yeelaya.....

I wish there was justice in our country regardless of tribe... What I find offensive and disgusting is when someone justifies the horrors that are happening in our country or those that had happened in our country...

Waxaanan kuugu bishaareynayaa inaadan 1/4 ka dhadhamin dhibka aniga isoo gaadhey..... wixii noo geystayna waxba uma qabo, Qaran-a u dumin maayo... waayo waan hubaa in Alle ka gooyey mid kasta dembigii uu galay....

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Somalia better off than during 1980's?

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