Tradition vs Religion

[Wise-Man]

Most Somali Mothers I have seen in my city wear hijaab or cover themselves properly, but their daughters don’t. Wearing Hijab is obligated for women (especially for young women) but not when they become old, even though it is better for them to remain covered. So my question is Why Somali mothers don’t encourage their daughters to cover as they cover themselves? Is it because they are young? Is it because mothers cover themselves as a tradition, but not observing their religion? I just don’t understand it…

[kambuli]

Wiseman,

By Xijaab do you mean Jalaabiib which most of the Somali women in Minnesota and Ohio wear or you mean just astur?

I believe ederly women wear the Jilaabiib to avoid expenses. Because an old lady, past marriage age is not supposed to wear Jilaabiib.

[SoMaLiSiZz]

I am sure most parents tell this to their daughters, but some daughters thinks if they wear jilbab they would look old and no one will marry them of course on the contrary or they are afraid of being old fashion [which hijab never is] in other words they tends to please the creations of the only creator while disobeying their Creator Allah the most just.

This in it self is a shirk in Allah (showing off)!


W Allahul mostacan upon what they are doing!

[Wise-Man]

Kambuli, it ian’t matter sister, I mean the daughter should be encouraged the importance of covering up her body beforehand. You can’t force her, but remember, parents are responsible and their responsibilities will be asked.


"I believe ederly women wear the Jilaabiib to avoid expenses"


for real???/ i did not know that..

[kambuli]

Wise-man,

I just wanted to know which Xijaab you are talking about. Because there is a lot of difference between Jalaabiib and astur.

I know a girl who said she put on jalaabiib, because she wants to save some money to bring her family from Africa. And ofcourse I know some that put on the Jalaabiib seriously and strictly on religious purpose.

Also it makes a lot of sense to encourage the girls to put on xijaab at an early stage.

Quote" for real???/ i did not know that..

Maybe some of them are just accustomed to it. But some choose to wear because it is cheaper.

[LionHeart-112]

Somalida jooga West-ka weey u dhamaatay walahi...They are done for! Almost all the second generation somalis living in the west are absolutely useless..I will be shocked if their kids don't become kaafirs. And this is their parents' faults. I have seen arabs/pakis and other muslims who were born here but practice Islam better than Muslims living in muslim lands....

Somali parents are possibly the worst and most irresponsible parents in the world!

[Criminaldiva]

wise, i think its because the moms didn't cover up when they were their daughters age. so they want their kids to go through those stages in their life where no one forces them but by choice.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Wise-Man"] Is it because mothers cover themselves as a tradition, but not observing their religion? I just don’t understand it…[/quote]


Dress code (and ALL issues partaining to sexuality) is CUSTOMS issue, NOT religion.

[ERROR]

lol@ cheap old women

[simplicity-]

Wise man ,

i noticed the same problem


[quote="Wise-Man"] Why Somali mothers don’t encourage their daughters to cover as they cover themselves?

>>> I noticed that Somalis are not the only generation that has this problem . The muslim of the second generation that live in the West have the same problem in general. IF the mom wants it to wear it they wear it, but they have a hard time explaining it to their kids and convincing them to wear it. So the child rejects it .only knowledgable muslims people are able to convince their child to wear it.my opinion

cover as they cover themselves? Is it because they are young?

>>>That is not the problem. The problem is the Lack of knowledge on the parent in explaining the hijab . IT's the parents duty to edcuate the children on their way of life, islam. IF they don't educate their child on the hijab then why would a child wear a hijab especially when they live the west?


Is it because mothers cover themselves as a tradition, but not observing their religion?

>>>yes there are some sisters that wear "veilings" and "headcovers" for the wrong reasons. But I have also seen a lot of sisters that do it the for the right reasons.[/quote]



Just my 2 cents.

[Caydid]

I have noticed this phenomenon. But it has alot to do with how things are in the host country. Many young women attend schools or work in an environment that is hostile to the islamic dress code. The mothers are in the normal circumstances housewives and have less interactions with the host society.


This situation creates a dilemma for many young women. Should they risk being mocked, bullied or in some cases fired- or should they risk criticisms from their somali peers (like we are doing now).

I have watched a television news bulletin from Iran this week and the muslim women were dressed on TV but one could see most of them wore it because society urges them. You could spot one or two women in a crowd of 10 whose hair is very visible. I think muslims in the diaspora should encourage by all neccessary means women to wear- but they should caution against it becoming a fashion statement!

[Caydid]

I have noticed this phenomenon. But it has alot to do with how things are in the host country. Many young women attend schools or work in an environment that is hostile to the islamic dress code. The mothers are in the normal circumstances housewives and have less interactions with the host society.


This situation creates a dilemma for many young women. Should they risk being mocked, bullied or in some cases fired- or should they risk criticisms from their somali peers (like we are doing now).

I have watched a television news bulletin from Iran this week and the muslim women were dressed on TV but one could see most of them wore it because society urges them. You could spot one or two women in a crowd of 10 whose hair is very visible. I think muslims in the diaspora should encourage by all neccessary means women to wear- but they should caution against it becoming a fashion statement!

[Demure]

Wiseman, As simplicity said "lack of Islamic Knowledge" on the parents part, is the asnwer to your question. The fact is Islam does not win by default for most Somalis in anything, as much as we refuse to come clean. It's mostly taken as part of the culture, hence a lot of it's teachings are conveniently (or maybe even unwittingly) ignored specially when it's thought of as a hinderance or unfavorable.

It's ridicules pointing fingers at new generations for minor indiscretions, it's not exactly like older ones were the epitome of devout muslims or even good decent folks with the fostering of things like discrimination and CIVIL WAR.

[Lord Diplock]

Let me this from those who know best and it is an issue that has vexed me for a while. is an obligation for a muslim woman to hear hijjab at all time she is seen in public? delegation from this requirement is a punishment?

What about those many sisters who wear hijjab when they're offering prayers and then go back to their 'western' attire? is their salats valid or a waste of time ( a rhetorical question, only Allah accepts or rejects prayers surely)?.

I remember, hitherto to the dawn of the 1990s, many somali women in my home town seldom wore hijjabs and not many raised eyebrows or questioned them, perhaps we were in a 'jaahiliya' period then .

Jeans-wearing, figure-showing somalis women are not my type and the hijjab-wearing are infinity desirable (with clean hearts and intention ofcourse....rasul [pbuh] of Allah [swt] said: "all actions are by niyya [intentions]" 100% correct.

[Salahuddiin]

I second to LionHeart. I would be surprised if after 100 years somalis in western countries even knew what Islam was.

Sometimes the blame is on parents who don't care enough about Diin to teach it to their children but they care about Duniya. They are only interested about their child getting good grades in school but don't care if he/she doesn't pray or observe Islam.

I have also seen some cases when parents are real good, but their children is just posessed by Sheytaanic ideas you get everywhere in the West. Some parents have lost some children to these kuffar and they are afraid to tell their daughters to wear hijaab or not to go around the city because these little fidhiqoyiin oo kibirlayaal ah may run to the social office and tell them how her parents treat her bad and suppress her freedom and after that she's gone forever.

Allah mustacaan.. There's an authentic hadiith narrated in Muslim saying that a group of women will never enter paradise. They are those who wear tight, revealing clothes. Not only will they not enter paradise, but they will not even smell its scent, although you can smell paradise from a 500-year distance.