SAN DHEER, why are you so against Islam?

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Mon May 01, 2006 9:27 am

Seriously, your behavior is starting to irk me. Either come of the closet and be straight with us or learn about Islam before you answer questions and sin.

You oppose death penalty though capital punishment is allowed in the Qur'an.

You had a problem with hijab or something while back.

Now you want a secular government in Somalia instead of a sharicah based government.

Seriously, it cant' be your upbringing that you have these opinions...is it just lack of Islamic knowledge or something else?

show your true colors por favor.

San_dheer · Post by **San_dheer** » Mon May 01, 2006 9:35 am

Waryaa, I'm not against Islam. Evil or Very Mad

Just because I have my opinions, doesn't mean I am not a muslim. You part-time extremist creep!

I can't believe you. Rolling Eyes

Please delete this thread. Mad

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Mon May 01, 2006 9:40 am

"Just because I have my opinions, doesn't mean I am not a muslim"

Please elaborate. Does this mean your opinions can go AGAINST the teachings of Islam? Does the opinion of Allah (swt) not greater than what you "feel"?

Were you born here? I'm seriously trying to understand you because i really really dislike hypocrisy and two-faced-ness.

I'm not an extremist. U are gonna get away from this by calling me names and accusing me of something i'm not.

San_dheer · Post by **San_dheer** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:01 am

Not being afraid to state my opinions should be enough to show you I'm not a hypocrite.

I'm not against Islamic teaching. I have opinions on the issues that are open to interpretation. For example, the issue of hijab - which are mainly opinions of others. I believe IÃ¢Â€Â™m also allowed to have my opinion since IÃ¢Â€Â™m gonna be the one judged on it at the end of the day!!

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:08 am

Apparently, you are not aware of the Islamic definition of a hypocrite.

You can't HAVE opinions that are in conflict with the teaching of Islam and still call yourself a Muslim.

And the Issue of Hijab is not open to interpretation. The Qur'an and Ahaadiith are very clear on whether and how much should be covered.

You need to be very careful with what you say if you don't want to comprimise your faith. Learn, learn, learn Islam. I keep telling you this.

San_dheer · Post by **San_dheer** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:20 am

I don't have opinions that conflict with Islamic teaching. I have opinions that conflict with your opinions.

You say, the hijab is a very clear teaching. So, what is your opinion on what is a hijab, colours and who should wear it and I'll tell you if there are conflicting opinions.

Note: I'm not talking about covering up your adornments as the quran teaches (my interpretation of that doesn't necessarily mean/include hair)

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:26 am

my opinions? lol..My opinions are very much inline with that of Islamic teachings.

The issue of hijab is very clear. Everything but the hands, feet and face should be covered..Some women prefer to have the face (niqab) covered. This is of course optional. I'm not talking about what some people practice but what the religion says. Go to any sheikh and you wll get the same answer. The types of hijabs worn vary by region.

Sir-Luggoyo · Post by **Sir-Luggoyo** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:28 am

Sandheer,

You can not have opinions when it comes to Islam, it's clear black and white, no gray areas, besides, you are not entitled/qualified to interpret Qur'an and Hadeeth according to your whim, interpretation has been done by qualified mujtahids already and you can follow which mujtahid you feel comfortable with his interpretation. Iam not labeling you anything, but I think you need to learn more b4 you start interpreting

San_dheer · Post by **San_dheer** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:35 am

Good for you, you're not the one wearing all that. You're pissing me off now. Evil or Very Mad

If it varies with regions that means it is open to one's preferences. And that is exactly what I was telling you. People have the choice. You have no right to force your opinions on others. The quran only says, "cover your adornments", the rest is up to the individual.

I'm allowed to have my opinions, letÃ¢Â€Â™s keep it at that.

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:36 am

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]Sandheer,

You can not have opinions when it comes to Islam, it's clear black and white, no gray areas, besides, you are not entitled/qualified to interpret Qur'an and Hadeeth according to your whim [/quote]

Laughing

How can you say that in the face of the reality of all these sects:

Baha'i
Druze
Alawis
Nizari
Fatimids
Zaidis
Ismailis (the sect that stole the black stone from Kabba in 930!)
Wahaabis
Kahrijites
Sufis
Shites
Sunnis

-One Islam, so many understandings of it = Islam IS open to interpretations.

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:37 am

^^NO! you are not allowed to have your opinions. If you want to have your opinions, then you are free to become a murtad.

What varies by region are colors, style and design...WHAT SHOULD BE CONVERED REMAINS THE SAME.....this stupid bit.ch is none other than DD walahi..

kaafirad waaxid.

Xyaad · Post by **Xyaad** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:38 am

I think your giving san dheer a hard time, people are allowed to have opinions as long as it doesn't defame Islam!

Lugooyo Islam is not black and white!

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:38 am

DD....All the sects you listed are offshoots of Shi'ism which deviated from Islam long time ago. They are all heretics. We are talking about mainstream sunni Islam.

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:39 am

[quote="Xyaad"]I think your giving san dheer a hard time, people are allowed to have opinions as long as it doesn't defame Islam!

Lugooyo Islam is not black and white![/quote]

You need to be careful with what you say. SL said what Islam teaches is black and white. There is a hadeeth that says "what's halaal si clear, what's xaraam si clear"..

What he said is basically what i was saying; your opinions can't be in conflict with Islam.

San_dheer · Post by **San_dheer** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:41 am

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]Sandheer,

You can not have opinions when it comes to Islam, it's clear black and white, no gray areas, besides, you are not entitled/qualified to interpret Qur'an and Hadeeth according to your whim, interpretation has been done by qualified mujtahids already and you can follow which mujtahid you feel comfortable with his interpretation. Iam not labeling you anything, but I think you need to learn more b4 you start interpreting[/quote]

Thanks Luggoyo, but I like to teach myself and think for myself instead of just following other's opinions, which is usually their opinions on the opinions of the opinions of someone recollection of the prophetÃ¢Â€Â™s (saw) narrations. I try to learn everyday, at the end of the day, I want to ensure I'm doing what is right.