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A question to my fellow Somalis?????

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Without doubt I had seen and heard very strange things, both of the past and the present--things that I could not in the least understand.But, I've never heard or seen.Somali odhaneysa waxan ahay *Agnostic athiest * Surprised .So I ask my fellow Somalis.Halkani ama Web site kani, ma atheist iska leh , ma iyaga iska maamusha makhaayadani. Mise Dad islam ah ayaa leh .Haddey Dad islaam ah yihiin kuwa leh , I can say with utmost confidence that I have never seen such shameless display of hypocrisy. Confused
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[quote="Hinda_Haldha"].....But, I've never heard or seen.Somali odhaneysa waxan ahay *Agnostic athiest * Surprised .[quote]

Where? I can categorically state that NO ONE ever said that... atheists and agnostics generally know their stuff and would NEVER utter such goofy thing as Agnostic Atheist! Laughing Laughing




[quote]I can say with utmost confidence that I have never seen such shameless display of hypocrisy. Confused[/quote]

...and the hypocracy is.. what exactly? I'm not catching your drift here!
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[quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="Hinda_Haldha"].....But, I've never heard or seen.Somali odhaneysa waxan ahay *Agnostic athiest * Surprised .[quote]

Where? I can categorically state that NO ONE ever said that... atheists and agnostics generally know their stuff and would NEVER utter such goofy thing as Agnostic Atheist! Laughing Laughing




[quote]I can say with utmost confidence that I have never seen such shameless display of hypocrisy. Confused[/quote]

...and the hypocracy is.. what exactly? I'm not catching your drift here![/quote]


why do you believe what you believe? Who or what or what event caused you to embrace atheism?
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I didn't 'embrace' atheism per se, only acknowledged it. Atheism is the natural state of things... we ALL came into this world shorn of any believe in God. You can say I'm DE-brainwashed.
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the admin of this site is a die hard believer of the first amendment "the freedom of speech"

plus controversy sells in the form of ad placements and site traffic Exclamation
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[quote=Hinda_Haldha] *Agnostic athiest * [/quote]

Agnostic atheist kulaha Laughing Laughing

Hey DD! When will you fear god and stop being an atheist agnostic? Are you not aware that god warns us to steer away from atheist agnosticism?

Fear Allah, repent and cease being the atheist agnostic you are lest a terrible calamity befalls you.

You really ought to to be ashamed of yourself DD!

Don't you just dislike these atheist agnostics? Laughing Laughing
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dhuusa_dheer,

there is no natural state of disbelief in God. The natural state of things is God's creation being tied to the Creator.

The Quran address the people who "claim" to be atheists or agnostics with the following rhetorical question:

(sura tuur)

35. Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?

36. Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief.

When it comes down to it, if you don't believe in God, the only other options available for you are the conviction that one of the above-mentioned scenarios is the truth of matters.

Theories like the "Big Bang" don't account for what set things into occurence, nor why things happened...........it absolutely doesn't account for the existence of life-creating matter ......


I personally don't believe true atheists/agnostics exist, I believe humans either worship God, or they are slaves to other people or philosophies etc..


23. Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilâh (god), and Allâh knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him after Allâh? Will you not then remember?

24. And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except Ad-Dahr (the time)[]. And they have no knowledge of it, they only conjecture.

25. And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, their argument is no other than that they say: "Bring back our (dead) fathers, if you are truthful!"

26. Say (to them): "Allâh gives you life, then causes you to die, then He will assemble you on the Day of Resurrection about which there is no doubt. But most of mankind know not."

27. And to Allâh belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. And on the Day that the Hour will be established, on that Day the followers of falsehood (polytheists, disbelievers, worshippers of false deities, etc.) shall lose (everything).

I think when push comes to shove and a human is truly distressed they come to God; deep down these people believe in God. Here's why I think so:

(sura isra)

66. Your Lord is He Who drives the ship for you through the sea, in order that you may seek of His Bounty. Truly! He is Ever Most Merciful towards you.

67. And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon besides Him vanish from you except Him (Allâh Alone). But when He brings you safely to land, you turn away (from Him). And man is ever ungrateful[].

68. Do you then feel secure that He will not cause a side of the land to swallow you up, or that He will not send against you a violent sand-storm? Then, you shall find no Wakîl (guardian one to guard you from the torment).

69. Or do you feel secure that He will not send you back a second time to sea and send against you a hurricane of wind and drown you because of your disbelief, then you will not find any avenger therein against Us?
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[quote= Gedo_Boy] There is no natural state of disbelief in God. The natural state of things is God's creation being tied to the Creator. [/quote]

I'm aware that it's part and parcel of your Islamic belief to believe that all people are born with a natural belief in one god (Fitra), but belief carries no weight if it's not supported with empirical evidence. Then again I doubt whether a believer with a blind conviction in his faith would accept empirical scientific evidence that contradicted the articles of his faith.

My contention is that if children are allowed to grow up in an environment free from religious indoctrination, then they would develop a healthy and rationalist mindset and learn to only believe in propositions when they're supported with scientific proof that can be demonstrably verified.

If children are only permitted to develop mentally without being exposed to Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other set of superstition, all rational people would agree that none of those young children would turn out as either Muslims, Christians or Jews.

Belief in invisible beings such as God, angels and, spirits; beings that are undetectable even to the most sophisticated scientific equipment known to man is not something with which someone is born , but taught.

That is precisely why young innocent children are sent away to Islamic schools, Sunday schools and other centres of religious education. So that they may be instructed in the religion of their parents.

For what other reason (it may be asked) are children sent away to Islamic schools if it is the case that they're already born with a belief in Islam?
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Children are not born proclaiming that “there is no god except Allah & Mohammed is his messenger”, rather they’re taught that by they’re parents and religious instructers.

That doesn’t however mean to say that when they attain an age when their minds start delving in philosophy and science, they won’t begin asking themselves questions relating to the origin of the universe. It doesn’t imply that they’ll never ask themselves if there exists a creator of the universe because such questions are part of the normal and ordinary process of reasoning of the human mind in its quest for knowledge of the external world.

But the creator or creators (because who’s to say that they will think monotheistically) such a child imagines won’t resemble anything similar to Allah.

Any notion of a possible creator of the universe that child may conjure up in their mind will be far from the god of Islam. The notion of a creator such a child conjures up may not even be the traditional concept of a monotheistic god, but of a being altogether different- a powerful energy of some sort perhaps.
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agnostic,

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: No babe is born but upon Fitra. It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist. A person said: Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion if they were to die before that (before reaching the age of adolescence when they can distinguish between right and wrong)? He said: It is Allah alone Who knows what they would be doing.


so every child is born on the fitrah, that is not the same as every child repeating the shahada. The fitra is more innate understanding & not necessarily religious knowledge, so just b/c someone is not reciting the shahada doesn't mean the fitra doesn't exist.

It is the job of the Prophets to rekindle that fitrah which is lost to sins, indoctrination (and perhaps other factors) and teach the people the rituals and rites of worship that Allah intended for them...........that's why after Prophets have left you see people slowly modifying & diverging away from the original rites of worship and they start to do things which eventually bear no resemblance to the original rites of worship Allah set down for them.........then other Prophets come to rectify that.

Plus, you can't say that if "children are allowed to grow up in an environment......" b/c the hadith makes it clear that the child will adopt the religious beliefs they have been indoctrinated with.

If your fitrah could do that for you then there would be no need for Prophets.

OK, when you say "belief in invisible beings", you mean to say invisible to us. What is visible to us is only a small range of wavelengths............even many animals have vision/hearing that are many times better than us.

You place too much confidence on our "most sophisticated scientific equipment"..........you should learn more about it to really see the limitations of our knowledge & capacity..........you may start to view them as crude relative to what we don't know:

(sura isra)

85. And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Rûh (the Spirit); Say: "The Rûh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little."


This clearly indicates to us that we have been allowed to possess a relatively small subset of knowledge

There could be only 1 God, only monotheism.........would you ride in a car operated by 2 different people with 2 different steering wheels independently turning, braking, accelerating, stopping?

(sura anbiya )
Had there been therein (in the heavens and the earth) gods besides Allâh, then verily both would have been ruined. Glorified be Allâh, the Lord of the Throne, (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
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