Hitler's avator?

[B-MAX]

Basra and Adolf Hitler's avator? What's wrong with this picture?
Actually nothing?
Remember she hails from Moryaan-clan!

[Basra-]

What is wrong with what picture?? Hitler was a humanbeing at the end of the day.

[Kamal35]

Basra: Have you read the message that Grant wrote to you in the topic about the flowers? He's alright: In the West, specially in USA and UK, many people has some relatives who were killed by the Germans or suffered the nazism until death. Hitler is still harming the hearts here. My grandfather best friend, who was a Republican in Spain (Republicans were the good guys, the ones who lost the Spanish Civil War) had to go to the exile after Franco won the war and crossed the border to France. Once there, when the Germans occupied France, he was detained and sent to Matthausen. He was kill in a gas chamber. If my grandfather were alive, I can assure you that he would get really upset and sad watching that avatar.

[Grant]

My dear Lady Basra,


My father's entire generation fought against that man and the national socialist ethnocentrism he represented. Wait until you get to Mein Kampf and his attitudes towards all non-aryans. If you like black slavery, you will love his version.

Hitler represents the opposite of everything I believe most strongly in. To me he is the very personification of Evil, a veritable Shaytaan. He was personally responsible for more death and destruction than any other single person in history. I am not even rational on the subject.

As a personal favor to me, please take it down.

[Basra-]

[quote="Kamal35"]Basra: Have you read the message that Grant wrote to you in the topic about the flowers? He's alright: In the West, specially in USA and UK, many people has some relatives who were killed by the Germans or suffered the nazism until death. Hitler is still harming the hearts here. My grandfather best friend, who was a Republican in Spain (Republicans were the good guys, the ones who lost the Spanish Civil War) had to go to the exile after Franco won the war and crossed the border to France. Once there, when the Germans occupied France, he was detained and sent to Matthausen. He was kill in a gas chamber. If my grandfather were alive, I can assure you that he would get really upset and sad watching that avatar. [/quote]




Oh is that so? Well in the Name of Kamal35 --- i will remove the avatar then.If Kamal35 has asked me also--this is serious Ileyn then.



Senor Kamal dear...Consider it done.

[ERROR]

I am not defending the naziz but Africa and most of the world was conquered and misused by OTHER Europeans.

European powers divided Somali land into FIVE different sections (italian somalia, british somaliland, french djbouti, plus almost 1/2 of somali populated land they gave to Kenya and Ethiopia as gifts. guess what! Nazi Germany was not among them. The so called international borders were drawn by few countries and nazi Germany was not one of them.

The bottom line is that western Europe was not any better than their Nazi cousins - they only wrote the history. As we all know history as we know it is what the winner writes, not necessarily the truth.

[Grant]

Thank you, my Lady,

You did not need to go to the opposite extreme for my sake.

Thank you Kamal. That picture was indeed unsettling.
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Error,

You can thank your lucky stars the British and Americans stopped Rommel in North Africa.

I suggest you read Mein Kampf before you get too excited about the Nazis. Have you ever heard of German East Africa, by the way?

[ERROR]

Grant, were the germans worse the ones who enslaved other human beings?

[Grant]

Error,

The Germans got into the slave game rather late. As far as colonies went, they got just what is now Tanzania.

During WWII Hitler was an ally of Mussolini. The plan was to take North Africa, then Egypt and Suez, linking up with Mussolini's Ethiopia and holdings in the horn with Tanganika. They needed food, labor and resources.

They conquered and enslaved nearly all of Europe. They got a good start on Africa.

Seriously. Read Mein Kampf. You can get a good translation in English. It is Hitler's game plan in his own words. He wrote it while he was in prison on some charge like treason or contempt, before he was elected Chancelor.

It is all about how the Germans are the master race, destined to rule all the inferior others.

After he came to power he actually began a breeding program to produce superior children.

You know what he did to Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and other asorted minorities.

Blacks were so far down his scale and so absent from Europe at that time that I don't recall him saying much, but you can clearly read between the lines. He was humiliated at the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games when Jesse Owens, a black American, took most of the gold medals in the track and field events over his own chosen champions.

I don't even want to imagine what this world would be like if the Germans had won WWII.

Slavery? Genocide? You betcha. On a grand scale.

[ERROR]

Grant, thnx for the quick history lesson, i'll read your recommendation. What he did to the jews, he did it in front of all other European nations and they reacted ONLY when he threatened them. A friend of mine who happened to Jew told me when Germans with blood in their hands were moving to Australia, Canada, etc, it was very difficult for holocaust survivors to get visas to those same countries.

To many, naziz and imperialists were no different

[QansaGabeyle]

Grant, stop the bullsh^t saaxib. Hitler is not worse than any other western leader. Hitler did not bomb hiroshima and nagasaki. Hitler did not start the slavery trade. I read parts of mein kempf and it is not bad as you make it. i heard the governor of jurisalem was in germany when hitler was in power. if hitler had won the war, israel would never have existed and palestinians would never have been subjected to over 40 years of opression.

[Grant]

Qansa Sxb,

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were something of an unknown quantity. They did end a war with probably less loss of life than otherwise, and the use, while available as a deterrent, has not been repeated.

Slavery seems to be a rather ancient institution, but it was ended in North America and virtually all of Europe except Russia by about 1870.

But you are correct. If Germany had won the war, there would probably be very few Jews in Palestine .

The difficulty is that Hitler did not respect any culture or race but his own, and he was a thorough going anti-Semite. Consider that the plan was to link Egypt-Suez-Ethiopia-southern Somalia-Tanganika.

The question I would like you to consider is: How many free Somalis would there have been left in the Horn?

[same]

Good discussion.

[Kamal35]

Thank you, Basra. As always, the sweetest girl here on Somalinet.


You're welcome, Grant. I'm agree with you about Hitler, mate.

I have to disagree about the use of Little Boy and Fat Man against Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I think both bombs-along with the bombing of Guernica by the nazis in Spain in 1937- were the first terrorist attacks with weapons of massive destruction in the 20th century.

I know that thousands and thousands of Americans still believe -included Paul Tibbets- that the atomic bombs ended the war, but don't forget that Germany, by that time, was defeated and Japan was isolated and about to surrender. It's true that the occupation of Japan would have a great cost in human lives, because the Japaneses were ready to fight street by street and house by house, but... it was really necessary to occupy Japan? In my opinion, a peace treat would have been enough. Wars can end with a peace treat without the need of occupying the defeated country.

The use of the atomic bombs, in my opinion, hadn't the aim to end the war but to show other powers (URSS, China, etc) the ability of the United States to use the atomic bomb. Moreover, knowing the human condition, we all know that if we have a new 'toy', sooner or later we'll use it in order to test it. Just imagine a ten months old baby with a stone in his hand: he'll end throwing it against a window to 'see what happens'. The American Army wanted to know what happens when you throw an atomic bomb against a city full of civilians. They knew the consequences before throwing it, but they needed to see it in real life.

I would add, even, that they could throw Little Boy against Hiroshima, but Nagasaki was unnecessary. It was the need to test both kind of bombs. For me, the most aggresive and storming terrorist attacks in the 20th century. The revenge of Truman for what happened in Pearl Harbour.

[B-MAX]

History teaches us that The worst atrocities ever happened on the face of the earth is the slavery and World War 2.
A one man show killing 6Million plus innocent people.
A half a Million people killed in a blink of an eye by an Atomic bomb!


...and I'm damn sure that no Religious man was responsible for that wickedness.