Myth busting- enigmatic discourse

[Intellectualsomali]

Hello somalinetters!!
I have started this topic to get feedback on the myths we somalians create about our nation, our people, religion, culture and tradition. Unless, any of you attempt to challenge me (which I will gladly accept), somalians and somali don't deserve to exist in this world!. Somalia is a nation that is ungovernable. Civil wars, tribal based laws and warlords. Somalians oversease and at home are viewed as people who epitomise double standardism.

Myth 1)somalians speak the same language, share the same culture. (Look around and you will find somalis don't speak the same language, they do not have a common culture except that of killing, looting, social security theftry)
Myth 2) somalians in the diaspora would love to return- This is probably the number one myth. Many somalians would love to leave somali.
Myth 3) Somalians are staunt muslims: Somalians are abusers of the islamic faith. Everything they do contradicts islam
Myth 4) Somalians are hard working- Somalians and the word "lazy" are related
Myth 5) Somalians have morals- Beyond the discouse, somalis have no religious, human or cultural morals.
Myth 6) Somalians have a government- where is it?
Myth 7) Somalians have succeeded in creating islamic courts- Islamic law is abused. The islamic courts have so far executed the sharia on helpless minorities.


Add you myths.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Intellectualsomali"]Hello somalinetters!!

Myth 5) Somalians have morals- Beyond the discouse, somalis have no religious, human or cultural morals.[/quote]

I'm adverse to this myth and welcome on board.

[Intellectualsomali]

Dhuusa_deer, thank you for the welcome.

This is the only good somali I know.

http://www.aminarts.com/

[gobdoon]

Doom and gloom,did Amin AMIR draw any nice pictures against Siad Bare regime or he was good drawing drawings of that regime and singing it's praise untill it was too late,may be if he played his part and opposed that regime things would not have been as bad as.

[Intellectualsomali]

Gobdoon, When you compare what somalians are going through/or went through the past 15 years, Siyad Bare was a saint. Amin Caawir praised the regime- almost everyone did that. I am sure you or your parents praised Siyad Bare at one time or the other.

But the contemporary Amin Caamir is a critic who doesn't spare any leader, tribe, creed. and that makes him special!

[gobdoon]

I don't agree with that,all the time the situaition was rotting all the time,and I believe if he handed over power peacefuly and put the country before himself the would not have gone or detoriated as bad as they did,Including like the last group of MANIFESTO who signed a petition and asked him to leave power.

[Intellectualsomali]

Gobdoon, the somali situation got out of hand in 1977. Ask even those who hate Siyad Bare and they would tell you that people adhored him. He was the father of the nation. Every somali was on the praise train . Except those who wanted power (abdullahi Yusuf was one of them). Siyad Bare was a dictator who surrounded himself with people who agreed with him- but look what has happened since he left. He was a senile old man who lost touch with people in 1986. But Siyad brought some kind of rule.

[Gedo_Boy]

Gobdoon,

Imagine yourself in that situation........you have 3 armed factions fighting against your government. Do you think it would be wise to step down at that moment?

He would just be sanctioning an all out civil war when those factions compete for power.

Also, Siad Barre believed the people who were against him were far worse for the country than him, and you have to give him that much credit for knowing that much about those people.

Dictatorship is not perfect, but it's perfect compared to what we have now.

[gurey25]

There is no excuse for dictatorship.

period.

[Gedo_Boy]

OK,

I understand that and I would agree that a dictatorship was not the ideal form of government, but that's what we inherited. The question is what should have been done?

The coup wasn't done by Siad Barre himself...that was a military coup w/ many officers...from what I've read, he just happened to be the chosen leader after the coup....even the guy who was my father's commander in the military was an Isaaq guy who was part of the Revolutionary Council.

If Siad Barre stepped down, don't you think that would open the door to massive violence?

What we were discussing was what the best way to avoid large scale bloodshed was.

[gobdoon]

But it would not help the situation in the long run if you create a climate of fear put your opponents in jail,and send the miiletery to any region that opposes your regime,life is too short it's beter to sort out the things in the best way,Let us face it Siad was watching his seat and antone who desputed him was in trouble

[Gedo_Boy]

Maybe that's true.

Well, it's unfortunate, but any government or dictatorship will try to clamp down on political dissension & armed factions. That's happening in Ethiopia as we speak. It happens all over the place.

But let me ask you a question. Whether we had a dictator or a government, how many people did that affect on a daily basis?

How many people did the Civil War affect?

How many decades behind did this civil war put us? All of us?
Was it worth it.

But anyways, the civil war happened and I think that was the chance for all those "Manifesto signatories" to show what their true intentions were.

If there was peace, reconciliation, & prosperity after the overthrow of Siad Barre (like when dagdheer died ), I would have had different conclusions about what Siad Barre's real intentions were.

But the fact is, after all these years and despite his mixed legacy, he was light years ahead of these people against him, especially in the South.

I think the issue with the Northeast is a little bit different and they have some valid greivances..........although I don't secession is a solution.