Somali Islamists Real Aim -->Puntland &Somaliland

[COSTA]

Xassan Daahir Aweys wanna rule Somalia Like the Ayatulaahi Khemeni of
Iraan

They wanna change Golaha Guuurtida of Sland into Golaha Wadaadada

Soon jaad will be forbidden in the streets of Hargeysa

[Aiman]

[quote="COSTA"]Xassan Daahir Aweys wanna rule Somalia Like the Ayatulaahi Khemeni of
Iraan

[/quote]


There is nothing wrong Somalia to be like the Islamic Republic of Iran system. There will be a supreme elite Waddaad watching from the top.

[mahamed99_sex]

free will

[The Arabman]

"Xassan Daahir Aweys wanna rule Somalia Like the Ayatulaahi Khemeni of
Iraan"

As long as that means Somalia would develop and manufacture nuclear warheads, nothing wrong with that.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Ahab
You need to do an interview on comedy central. Somalis developing nuclear weapons? How about just building a conventional power plant, sewage disposal, public water, and a manufacturing base that can support the population? I don't want to suggest anything that might make you uncomfortable here, but maybe you don't have your priorites quite right. Just put it in the background.

[The Arabman]

"Somalis developing nuclear weapons?"

It's not simply "Somalis"; it's Islamists. That's why the West panicks whenever Islamists rise to power or gain strength. That's one reason why Afghanistan was invaded; because the Islamists there were developing nuclear weapons. In any case, for Somali Islamists, developing nuclear weapons isn't a big deal, as their brethren would provide the blueprints.

[Gedo_Boy]

MAD MAC,

I think you misunderstood Arabman. He wasn't saying Somalia is close to building nuclear weapons. He was saying that Iran is developed internally enough to be on the verge of manufacturing nuclear warheads, so a comparison with Iran is welcome since their leaders were able to get Iranian people to the brink of nuclear technology - a great technological milestone for developing countries.

Ofcourse sanitation systems are more important than nuclear warheads.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Ahhhhhh Iran has, and has always had, a FAR more developed economy than Somalia ever has or will have. Iran is one of the worlds leading oil exporters. It's a much larger state, with far more resources and a far larger and better educated population. There is no comparison.

The reason that I am not overly concerned is because the Iranian people will eventually get rid of the Islamic government because Islam socks. No one wants to live like that unless they are stupid (OK, I will concede there are a lot of stupid people in the world).

[Gedo_Boy]

MAD MAC,

First try to convince your very own neighbors in South America that your policies & ideologies are worth following. Seems like you're having problems in your own "sphere of influence"

What's your deal? Are you some kind of aspiring future diplomat trying to develop an understanding of the Somali people?

Somalia has so far proven to be unpredictable. A few reasons not to write Somalia off:

1. Somalia's resources are not known.
2. An educated public takes a couple decades if the right policies are in place. Who knows the size of the educated diaspora honing their skills here willing to go back in 5-10 yrs?

3. Somalia is located very strategically.
4. Somalis are fiercely independent; if they rally around an ideology, they will make many sacrafices.

"The reason that I am not overly concerned is because the Iranian people will eventually get rid of the Islamic government because Islam socks."

Well, the nuclear development has built a lot of national unity, so you'll have a hard time dislodging the current leadership.

Plus, if you've learned anything from Iraq although the leadership might be replaced, you'll have a hard time instituting your ideal government.

[Gacalisa]

a somalia controlled by Islam is a better Somalia. and step by step it will help somalia, and help Islam rise.

[QansaGabeyle]

"Soon jaad will be forbidden in the streets of Hargeysa"

Why are you saying that as if it would be a bad thing. Khat is a poison and only idiots chew that sh^t. studies have shown that a person that chews khat will eventually drink and father many wecels from obese white women.

[The Arabman]

It doesn't take much to develop and make a nuclear warhead. If you have the blueprint, about 100 millions dollars, the cake, etc- then you can make one. There are many Islamist nuclear scientists willing to help Muslims acquire the know-how of the technology. Even Ahmadinijad stated he's willing to help Muslims in acquiring the know-how. The Somali Islamists have surprised the US & the West in how easily they kicked out the seculars and consolidated power in Southern Somalia; the US & the West would be stupid to underestimate it.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Arab
In addition to the resources, you need the access and the expertise. Somalia has neither and never will. If building a nuke were easy, lots of states would have already done so. Libya, for example, found it beyond their means.

Additionally one nuke isn't much help. You need a manufacturing base that can produce many. And THAT is very difficult.

Gacalisa
The current leadership in Iran will gain some short term popularity. But it won't be long lasting because no one likes to live under repressive Islamic rule (or any other represssive rule). People don't like to be told what to do. It's kind of a normal thing. Iranian kids want to listen to hip hop, make out in the back of the chevy, and do what other kids want to do. You can brainwash them for a little while, but it can never truly take root. It's against human nature. Therefore, sooner or latter, the Iranian people are going to rebel.

You are quite right, there is a limit to what the US can accomplish with force. It is very difficult to replace a government with one of your own choosing. But it is very easy to kill whole population groups. Mark my words, we are getting closer to that possible end state.

[Gedo_Boy]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Arab
But it is very easy to kill whole population groups. Mark my words, we are getting closer to that possible end state.[/quote]


You know that is ridiculous nonsense. The US has been diplomatically tiptoeing around awakening Muslim uprising globally.

The eventual outcome is known. When and how are unknown:

173. Those (i.e. believers) unto whom the people (hypocrites) said, "Verily, the people (pagans) have gathered against you (a great army), therefore, fear them." But it (only) increased them in Faith, and they said: "Allâh (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us).[]"

174. So they returned with Grace and Bounty from Allâh. No harm touched them; and they followed the good Pleasure of Allâh. And Allâh is the Owner of Great Bounty.

175. It is only Shaitân (Satan) that suggests to you the fear of his Auliyâ' [supporters and friends (polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh and in His Messenger, Muhammad SAW)], so fear them not, but fear Me, if you are (true) believers.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Look my Marehan friend, you are a smart kid. But you are blinded by your faith. It's all hogwash man. If you want to believe that crap, go ahead. Join the billions of other religiously inclined who are too lazy to think and prefer to believe what mommy, daddy and Santa Claus or whoever told them when they were kids.

The US is doing anything other than "tip toeing around". We are killing Muslims almost as fast as they kill each other. And as a population we are pissed off. We have an armed force that go reach any spot on the globe - you know this. The B2 can range anywhere, and at anytime of our choosing we can bomb any target. Our navy can easily, and with impunity, close any harbor. The new development of EMP devices not yet released by DoD (but already reported in news media) can destroy and entire electric grid. Think about what that means. Every electrical device in a city and it's power generation, destroyed. Nothing, no cars, no radios, no TVs, no cell phones - nothing works. We could easily cut off the Arabian peninsula, seize the oil fields, create free fire zones, cut off in ports and exports of food - this would be childs play. Kill every man, woman and child. If you don't think we have the capacity to do that right now, you are very wrong. In fact, it is MUCH easier to exterminate, than it is to try and do what we are doing in Iraq.

Using air bursts, which generate very little radioactive fallout, we could destroy every major Arab and Persian city in one hour. One hour.

The problem with Islamic systems is they impinge on all kinds of freedoms. And in so doing, they become less competetive. The Islamic world is NEVER going to catch up economically or culturally to the West. They haven't been able to entertain the reformation that would be required to do so.

Step away from the emotion of it and think analytically and you will see what I am saying. In order for you to openly and honestly analyze the issue, you first have to entertain the possibilty that Islam is not right. You can't do that. When you do that, your world comes apart. Your whole foundation. Not to mention where you subsequently fit in within your own society. For that reason, you can not entertain anything other than the conclusions that you have already drawn.

Muslims don't like to think this thing through. Now I ain't saying that all the US actions are right in this conflict. But you are saying that all these little Islamic oriented acts of violence don't mean anything, and I'm saying they do. Now look, I've seen a million Muslims conduct a million little acts of violence and resistance, and they all meant something. Everyone acts like they don't, but they do, that's what's so focking dangerous about the whole thing. There's an insidious something going on there where, nobody really wants to talk about up front, but you know it, we know it - focking George Bush knew it, and the Muslims should have better focking known better. I mean, that's US national security you are guys are focking with. We're not going to have a sense of humor about that sort of shite. Ya know what I'm saying?