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Somalia: Splits emerging in Somali Islamist movement

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Posted: 2006 Jul 09 - 08:19• Analysis--BBC Monitoring.

Much recent analysis about the Islamic courts in Mogadishu has focused on the political and military strength of the courts. The Union of Islamic Courts is often portrayed as a monolithic juggernaut about to crush all opposition and rivals especially the weak transitional government based in Baidoa. Some analysts even predict the courts may soon overthrow the interim government and take over power.

Ideological fault lines

What is missing from much of the discussion on the courts is the ideological divisions within the Islamist movement in Somalia, which have the potential to sap their current strength and worse, provoke another round of bloodletting - only this time between the adherents of the various ideological strands of modern political Islam.

An ideological battle is being fought far from the public eye and the stage is now set for a clash between two contending visions of Islam.

Recent developments in Mogadishu indicate the new calm in Mogadishu could, indeed, be the calm before the storm.

The ideological divisions within the Islamist groups, were masked by the fact they had a common enemy - the warlords. Now that the warlords have been ousted, and the clans have switched their allegiance to the Islamists, these divisions are becoming noticeable.

The swift installation of Shaykh Dahir Aweys as the de facto head of the Islamic courts and the apparent sidelining of Shaykh Sharif Shaykh Ahmad, the soft-spoken moderate cleric, is the clearest sign of a power struggle and tension between the Salafist and the Qutubist tendencies within the Islamist movement in Somalia.

Aweys and Sharif

Dahir Aweys, an ex-army colonel and a veteran of 1977 Ogaden War, is widely believed to be the genius behind the brilliant military campaign by the Islamic courts militia against the warlords in Mogadishu. While Aweys was plotting and conducting the military campaign in secret, Shaykh Sharif Shaykh Ahmad, a Sudanese-trained secondary school teacher and cleric, was slowly carving a niche for himself in the international media as the acceptable face of political Islam in Somalia. What, however, is only mentioned in whispers, is the ideological rift between the two men and their supporters.Aweys has no formal training as an Islamic cleric. His conversion to radical political Islam occurred sometime in the early 90's when he and like-minded former officers in the Somali National Army and intellectuals joined the Al-Ittihad al-Islami (the Islamic Union). Al-Ittihad's ideology and membership was heterogeneous. It brought together all the various strains of modern political Islam, just like the Islamic courts in Mogadishu in their early formative years.

Salafism

Since the defeat of the Al-Ittihad by Ethiopian forces and militiamen loyal to the Puntland leader Abdullahi Yusuf in mid-90's, Aweys retreated to his home region of central Somalia and later Mogadishu and embarked on a period of self-education and spiritual reflection, which, many say, eventually led him to the puritanical Salafi ideology.

This ideology, which is an off-shoot of the Wahhabi school, seeks to promote a "stripped-down" version of the Islamic faith that emphasizes ritual purity and frowns upon all forms of bid'a (modern innovations). It is this aversion to all forms of modern entertainment that explains the recent violent crackdown by the Islamic courts on cinema halls showing the World Cup. The Salafi ideology regards TV and sports as "Lahw" (vulgar pasttimes). Also because of its Wahhabist roots, Salafism is opposed to rationalism and is virulently anti-modernist.

The Salafists favour a rigid and literal interpretation of Islamic texts and regard other Muslim sects as deviants. Salafis teach against compromise, and violent jihad is the central pivot around which their metaphysics revolve.

Many of the over-zealous Islamist gunmen who have in recent days been terrorizing and killing innocent civilians watching the World Cup in various cinema halls in Mogadishu and in central Somalia, are influenced by the Salafi ideology.

It is interesting that the Aweys faction of the Islamic courts has not yet come out categorically to condemn these acts. The line by Aweys is that these are unpremeditated acts or "accidents". He has not yet made any formal public statement to denounce the violence and say people can watch the World Cup on TV.

Speaking to HornAfrik on 5 July after Islamic courts militia gunned down two people in the central region of Dhuusa Marreeb, Aweys failed to clearly condemn the action by the militia. He merely stated that the killing was an "accident" and the perpetrators would face the shari'ah laws.

This apparent ambivalence is bound to further increase suspicions he may be the mastermind of what looks increasingly like a violent campaign to rapidly "Islamize" the country.

Those with an intimate understanding of the Salafi creed say the stance by Aweys on this bewildering opposition to sports and TV is consistent with its teachings, namely, the notion that any pasttime is a distraction from worship.

Qutubism

The other main counter-current to Salafism in Somalia is Qutubism. As the name suggests, this ideology owes its birth to the Egyptian Islamist thinker Sayyid Qutub, executed in 1966. The principle text of Qutubism is the political commentary of the Holy Koran which Sayyid Qutub wrote in prison called "Fi Zilal al-Quran" (In the Shade of the Koran). This commentary and other writings by Qutub form the theoretical basis for the ideology which seeks to reconcile Islam and modernity. Qutub's vision is less atavistic than the Salafist vision and his critique of modern Western civilization is, in the main, not too extreme.

His followers have since refined the ideology, drawing on the works of many Sunni Islamist thinkers like Abul Ala Maududi of Pakistani. Islamist groups that embrace moderate versions of Qutubism, like the Islamic Brotherhood of Egypt, favour engagement, compromise and moderation to achieve their goals.

In the last few years, Shaykh Sharif Shaykh Ahmad, an Abgal cleric, has emerged as the principle proponent of Qutubism in Somalia. He has spoken in favour of engagement with the West and with the transitional government based in Baidoa. He has stated he is opposed to the creation of a Taleban-style government. In many of the interviews, Sharif has made it clear he favours a gradual approach in consolidating the power of the Islamic courts rather than the Islamization blitzkrieg favoured by Aweys.

In an interview with the pro-Islamist Somali website Goobjoog on 20 May, Sharif was clear he favoured dialogue with the interim government and a democratic settlement to the crisis in Somalia.He is widely respected in the country for his keen intellect and piety, but in a militaristic society where power still flows from the barrel of the gun, it is difficult to see how he can become a powerful player in the new dispensation. Although regarded as the spokesman of the Islamic courts, everyone knows that the real power lies with Hasan Dahir Aweys.

Ethiopia

Aweys appears determined to sideline Shaykh Sharif and stamp his own Salafi vision on the Union of Islamic Courts. He is also determined to spread the influence of the courts across Somalia and establish an Islamic state.

Aweys remembers the bloody military campaigns in Puntland and southwestern Somalia in the 90's in which Al-Ittihad was routed by the Ethiopians and the man who now heads the transitional federal government of Somalia - Abdullahi Yusuf. The animus between the two men runs deep because of this history and Aweys may capitalize on his new-found power to make things very difficult for Abdullahi Yusuf.

In a recent BBC Somali Service interview, Aweys declined to clearly state whether he recognized the interim government based in Baidoa despite being pressed to do so by the interviewer. In the same interview, Aweys also voiced his support for the idea of Greater Somalia, by claiming Ethiopia-occupied Somali territory.

This bellicose rhetoric by Aweys has already heightened tension with Ethiopia. Somali media have in recent days been awash with reports of Ethiopian military incursions and although Addis Ababa has refused to admit this, many analysts believe Ethiopia has significantly stepped up its military presence in Somalia.

Tension

This troubling picture in Mogadishu is further complicated by inter-clan rivalries, mainly between the Ayr, the Mudulod and the Abgal clans, as well as the apparent resurgence of the traditional mainstream Sunni sects that are jostling for influence and creating their own Islamic courts in a bid to counter the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC).

A report published in the Shabeelle Media Network on 5 July suggests tension is rising in Mogadishu again, especially in Bermuda, and violent clashes may break out between the rival Islamic groups competing with one another in setting up Islamic courts.

Backlash

At the moment, Aweys needs Sharif to mollify and soften the critics of the courts at home and abroad, but a major falling out is inevitable at some stage in the near future. Indeed, Shaykh Sharif recently hinted at resigning in an interview with the London-based Al-Sharq al-Awsat on 7 June, something which surprised many.

The Islamists are fast squandering the public goodwill they earned since they ousted the hated warlords. The honeymoon is now over for the courts. The simmering ideological rift threatens to turn nasty and the violent campaign against so-called anti-Islamic behaviours is quickly alienating the public. In Somalia's chaotic and fluid political landscape, a major backlash against the courts cannot be ruled out.

Source: BBC Monitoring research
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July 12 - Mogadishu, Somalia.
Thierry Henry, French Associated Press

The Islamic courts last week detained 13 youth suspected of secretly forming an organization for the purposes of drinking Coca Cola. The Courts conducted preliminary urine analysis and have determined that there is a high probability these youth are innocent of the allegations.

"We have determined that although these youth have not recently consumed any Coca Cola, they are still eligible for punishment" said Shiek Yassir "Technical" Cilmelowe of the Islamic Courts. "We can safely say that although they were not apprehended drinking Coca Cola, chances are that in the past 15 years they have drunk Coca Cola produced by the Coca Cola - Mogadishu Bottling Plant. Although Coca Cola was not outlawed at that time, all punishments will be handed down retroactively. The sentence will be that their liver & kidneys will be harvested and immediately made availabe to 'pious servants of Allah' currently awaiting liver & kidney transplants."

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I am telling you................these Islamic Coarts gotta go man........Bring back the Warlords!!
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You guys are aligned with Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde through the JVA tribal deal, so this topic is out of your range and follow your cousin Qaniisgabeyle to the Clan Section. This analysis is exactly the same as the one I posted previously by Nur in Somaliaonline. However, given your tribal allegiances, you guys will be fighting against Muslims such as Shaykh Shariif and other sheikhs who Aweeys and his thugs consider them of less of Muslims. There is nothing divine about the ideology of Dahir Aweys and his thugs. A bit of knowledge of the different Islamic schools vying for the struggle of power and influence in Muqdishu wont hurt you.

In conclusion, do you see how NurÂ’s argument are exactly like that of Shaykh Sharif Shaykh Ahmed and contrary to Dahir AweysÂ’s ideology? Read and compare them. Any comments? If not---this is not for youÂ….the Clan section is that wayÂ…..>

By Nur Somaliaonline.

Are We Ready For Sharia Law?

When we say Islamic, we have to make sure that we are branding it as genuine Islam, not a rigged system, otherwise, the damage to the brand name will be irreversible.

As for applying parts of islamic Sharia in Anarchist communities such as Mogadishu, we must recogocnize that Islamic Sharia is best applied when the ground work is done for its application, In Mogadishu, the foundations are not in place, the staff is not trained, triabalism remians to be a driving force ( Faqiih tolkii kama janno tago, meaning, a religious scholar does not enter paradise alone without his tribe, he is normally expected to go wherever they go, hell or heaven).

The Sharia courts in Mogadishu may not be conviction driven which is necessary but not sufficient condition for its success, in reality they are need driven, and for that matter the same courts can work in Watts, Los Anegles, Haarlem in New York, and in deadly Southeast Washington DC. Just approach mayors in these cities and you may be given the approval, once you weed out the criminals, the credit goes for the mayor in next election, and the selective Sharia clauses that bhelped him get votes is discarded.

The Sharia law is the culmination of many processes that should all be in place before it can be applied. Beginning with a sovereign territory, an educated citizenry who subscribe to it, a wise judicial system, and an ethical executive branch of government to enforce it. We must recognize that if majority of people are looting, its due to failure of governmemt to educate, lack of planning of resources for their needs or a general breakdown of law and order. To rebuild, we need peace first, so these Mogadishu courts are doing a good job only if they would not use Islamic banner since there is nothing Islamic about what is going on in Somalia. ( Peoples Courts would be a catchy logo) Secondly, work with Dawa groups that are successfull in converting Moriyans to a Muslim, and thirdly educate the masses through media.

ContinuedÂ…Â….
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A sister once asked me on another thread the need to enforce the stoning of the adulterer clause in the Sharia in Somalia today, here was my response, please read and reflect, here is the text of my response:

Bismillah wa bihi nastaciin.


Islam is a wholesome way of life, it was completed at the time of prophet Muhammad SAWS. Later, the years that followed, Islam as a community, witnessed blossoming, and then slow death that many are betting that it is all over today.

The first community of Islam were persecuted in Makkah, they fled to Medina and found sympathy among the people of Medina who supported this new faith and gave it a launching pad.

It was in Medina that the laws of stoning were reconfirmed, as the Jews who lived in Medina had the same law in their holy books ( read Suuratul Maaedah). When I say the laws were reconfirmed , I mean that the laws of Moses were binding until Muhammad SAWS appeared, at that point, the new prophet through divine revelation, had the choice to either abolish or sustain that law. ( the law was sustained)

Early in the last Century, The Caliphate, represented by Sultan Abdul Hamid of Turkey was dismantled and a new secular Turkey identifying itself with Europe was born. In a way, the last nail was hammered on the coffin of the Islamic Nation that lasted for 1400 years. Afterwards, nation- states were born and the European nations inherited much of the inheritance of this dead Caliph.

Holland Taking Indonesia, and the rest divided in the Berlin Conference that pretty much feasted on the world map as its rightful colonies. As Somalis, we became the property of three colonial masters, The British, Italians and the French. Because of that division, today, we eat fish and chips, spaghetti, and chocolate souffl� respectively. So you can see how united we are as a nation.

The last century witnessed the rebirth of Islam, after many Muslim intellectuals dusted out our lost heritage and realized the extent of damage done to our existence as a viable faith and a message for mankind.

These intellectuals, from Pakistan to Tunis, called for the rebirth of Islam as a state, not merely as a religion. Because unlike Christianity, Islam was formulated from the beginning as a state for the faithful. The proof of this statement resides in the Library of Congress, not in the card catalogue, but on the Main Dome roof as you walk in, look up the Main Dome Roof to see ISLAM engraved on the roof next to France and Britain as a state among states. A living and a fair testament America is offering the Muslim world for a lasting recognition.

Today, Islam is going through tumultuous times to reestablish itself, however, the times have changed not in the sense of technology, but in the sense, that, both Christianity and Judaism, our sister religions have been marginalized and are no longer religions for social change, and Islam is expected to follow suit.

Based on that quick background, many Islamic activists who want to reestablish Islam as a state for the faithful differ greatly, just as the Jews who have established Israel have differed on the creation of Israel, each one of them interpreting it his own way.

But the Jews ( as a faith and nation ) got their state when Britain's Balfour Declaration gave the Jews Palestine after the holocaust and the fundamentalist Jews were forced to go with the secular interpretation of the creation of Israel.

So today Muslims are living in nation states, grouped along geographical and ethnic lines, not faith. The laws of these nations are secular in nature with some honor mentioning of Islam as the official religion of the state, in most so called constitutions. The practical laws of these nations are the European colonial laws, like the French law, which ironically have borrowed some laws from the Hanafi school of thought, specially in the inheritance law.

In light of that background, and the fact that Islam as a legal entity is disenfranchised, taking the Islamic law into ones hands will portray Islam very badly to an audience that is in dire need for it.

Applying part of Islamic laws in makeshift courts, will alienate those who are sympathetic to Islam, because the beauty of Islam resides in its enforcement of Islamic laws as a WHOLESOME and COMPLETE jurisprudence, not selective pieces and parts.

The laws of Islam can only be enforced within a community that is willing to abide by the moral of the law before the letter of the law, and we all know, that such a community, does not exisit today, even if it exists in a geographical terms, it does not yet have the international community mandate or understanding that it needs to declare such a sovereign state.

We are thus in changing times, and as times change, we are suddenly finding ourselves again in old Mecca township and village setting, a small world after all, indeed.

And as such, we as Muslims have to deal with this new reality wisely by looking into the early Meccan period and the persecutions of the faithful and the Divine strategy of focusing their attention on the spiritual aspect and prayers and not on wars, retaliation and revenge, even when when unjustly attacked, Allah says:

( stop retaliating and establish regular prayers) Quraan.

In conclusion, Islam today governs the individual, not the community, so, up until a willing community which can best represent Islam in all spheres of life is born, applying the Islamic law may not serve the best interests of Islam. A spare part for a Ford, will not work on a GM.

http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultima ... 3;t=002258
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This is the source of the article:

http://garoweonline.com/2004pro/index.php?id=4238

I checked the BBC site and googled a BBC Monitoring research for the article; no article was written by either side. Even if the article's source is BBC, we know it's a Been Been Sii.
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EDIT: This post was for Law26. Therefore, Arab Man do not think that was for you. You are my buddy until farther notice. You are lesser evil compared to Law26, MAC MAD. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Law26

Laughing Laughing Laughing Your whole post is just...funny. I really mean it.
I have not seen that "I'm smarter than all of you...." attitude in ages.

On side note, why you repeat the same message over and over? I mean 'some one on other forum says this and that'. Are they some sort of priests, rabis or even Aayatullah?

No need to get all angery and shoot. I am out. I just had to say that. I couldn't rasist. Laughing Laughing
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[quote="The Arabman"]This is the source of the article:

http://garoweonline.com/2004pro/index.php?id=4238

I checked the BBC site and googled a BBC Monitoring research for the article; no article was written by either side. Even if the article's source is BBC, we know it's a Been Been Sii.[/quote]

The fact of the matter is if you ever needed enlightenment about the make up of the "Islamic Courts", or your support to the "Islamic Courts" were genuine, you would have investigated and then would have been aware of the differences in schools of those involved in this vast coalition without ever relying on the BBC, or in your own language, "western propoganda machine".

If you are serious, why cant you comment on Nur's point in regards to "Sharia Laws"?

Be the cat you are, chase your tail.

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This is a Somali issue and mind your own business.
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saxibib saxaib. topikan maana xakriin. lakin iisdajiya Rolling Eyes
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Remember you called me " Weird Somali" Can I hold you with your words?

Boy, I like this. Poor you, every thing raise your temper. You need anger management therapy man.

OK ok I am out now for real. Razz
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Arabman

You are only good at chucking empty catch phrases and rhetorical questions intended for your average biased Somali to spew, believe and accept it. You never explained why you are incapable to reply to Nur’s points from an Islamic point of view, and as usual, it is because of your sinister ways. It is time for you guys to cease using Sharia Laws interchangeable with the “Islamic Courts”. Let me enlighten you about the division in terms of their sects, first from a favorable article implying the Noble Prize to be awarded to the “Islamic Courts” in terms of them cleaning up the opposing warlords from Muqdishu.

http://www.afrol.com/articles/20073

Analysis: Could Mogadishu Islamic Courts be eligible for the Nobel Peace Prize?

“The rise of the Islamists in Mogadishu, however, has sent fears through the region, drawing analogues to the march of the Taliban against the warlords in Afghanistan.”

These fears, however, are not unfounded as the ICU is not monolithic in its schools of thought and agenda and includes a kaleidoscopic mixture of Islamic movements such as Al Ittihad Al Islami, Al Takfiir Wal Hijra, Al Islah and Al Tabligh. The Al Ittihad Al Islami, an organization suspected by Washington of having links with Al Qaeda, was found to be behind the killings of foreign aid workers in Somaliland, the self-declared state over looking the Gulf of Aden. Armed militants arrested in Hargeisa confessed that they had been taking orders from Ahmed Hashi Ayro, an Afghan trained militant and a senior commander of the ICU forces. Ayro is also accused of being behind the digging up of the old Italian cemetery in Mogadishu and dumping human remains in garbage pits. Another senior ICU commander and head of one of the courts, Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, who is on Washington's wanted list, is also former leader of the Al Ittihad Al Islami.

http://www.afrol.com/articles/20073

This is a brief about Shaykh Sharif Ahmed quoted from Asharq Al-Awsat. See the stark and opposing difference between these camps. You have to pick which one to back. I know I will opt for Sharif because unlike warlords Aweys, Indhocadde and company, he makes sense and comes across as a genuine Muslim.

Who is Shariif?

“A fluent Arabic speaker, Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed is viewed as a moderate belonging to an anti-fundamentalist Sufist group known as Ahl Sunnah wal jama'ah. Ahmed taught Geography, Arabic and Religious Studies at Juba Secondary School before being nominated as the leader of the ICU in 2004. He was born in January 1964 in Chabila, a town in Central Somalia, and educated in universities in Libya and Sudan (Asharq al-Awsat, May 17).

http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=184

Rebella

I think you are more genuine than Arabman and most of half-tribalist half wahabi wannabe's here. I wish Arabman and compnay can learn from you and sincerely attempt to answer the question like you did.

"[quote="The rebel"]" we need peace first, so these Mogadishu courts are doing a good job only if they would not use Islamic banner since there is nothing Islamic about what is going on in Somalia. ( Peoples Courts would be a catchy logo) Secondly, work with Dawa groups that are successfull in converting Moriyans to a Muslim, and thirdly educate the masses through media."

I swear, this is what I keep telling Islamists everywhere. Educate the people about Islam, build justice system, which there is no this; is my brother or neither uncle nor this I have the same Islam as his or mine. Prophet (PBOH) was preaching over 13 years in Mecca and as you know all Meccian verses deals with the basic of Islam ( wah- daneyat Allah) Al-Towheed. Allah revealed Quran not in a few days or few months/years but 23 years.

If we can learn anything from that, we learn that Prophet with order of Allah wanted to prepare them, teach them, and train them to the heavy duty of the Da'wah. We are today (as Muslims everywhere) we are in Jahiliya stage just how pagan Arabs were when Islam came, just without tans or camels. We are riding 2006 Mercedes and live in beautiful a houses, we go to school and carry higher degrees but reality we are in first Jahiliya (Jaheliyat al-olla). But creating courts without having educated judges, Lawyers, in both Islam law and civil law. First, create jobs or have such a social system (beyt zakat) to feed hungry people, before you chop their hands. That is cruel and against Islam. I would say no single Muslim country who is ready for Islamic law Â…Maybe Iran(I am not sure though).

When tell them above all I got from my professors was I am (rafethey). Means rejecters or (shiÂ’a)!! Very Happy

About Somali case, what's Islamic about it? Wearing that 'omamah or head cover and uttering few Arabic is that Islamic? I have my uncles who are from my home town and they are jewish but wear same as those Somalis in the court. No joke. Embarassed Embarassed[/quote]
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I really did not want to back to this topic of yours because I truly dislike your cheap name calling to the people who disagree with you. You don't debate but you insult others. That is all what you are good at, you have no respect for your self and for others. Now, you quoted me the same Quote that caused me a name-calling and NOW I am getting praise for it , just because this time will serve your attack against Arab man? You are more malicious and dirtier than I thought. I never like to call names but the word ‘munafeq’ comes to my mind but, that would be an insult to 'munafeqs'. That's only tell what kind of environment you came from. If you want people to take you seriously, you gotta fix your self. Akhlaq is from Islam, and clearly you are lacking it big time. I rest my case.

Allah ya3enek. You really need Help.

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[quote="The rebel"]I really did not want to back to this topic of yours because I truly dislike your cheap name calling to the people who disagree with you. You don't debate but you insult others. That is all what you are good at, you have no respect for your self and for others. Now, you quoted me the same Quote that caused me a name-calling and NOW I am getting praise for it , just because this time will serve your attack against Arab man? You are more malicious and dirtier than I thought. I never like to call names but the word ‘munafeq’ comes to my mind but, that would be an insult to 'munafeqs'. That only tells the environment you came from. I rest my case.

Allah ya3enek. You really need Help.

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If you scrowl up at this post, you were the one with your usual high horse attitude with a dirty mouth to match. I refrained to use any insults other than using the word Rebella because in every post you come accross like a teenage girl describing her barbie doll collection.

As for the "munaafuq" comment, Alxamdilaalaah I consider myself as a Muslim, not a Shia which most Somalis here and in particular the Saudis consider you guys as "kaafirs". If you need respect, earn it and remember not to crash and insult into someone's post, respect is a two way street, oh shit I'm talking to a Shia in Saudi Arabia, what a dysfunstional environment you are from.

BTW----how are your Jewish, Christian Orthodox, Allawi, Ismaili and Ahmedia relatives (dysfunctional family) from Yemen?
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Oh please add your collection to Egyptian, and Turkish. I am also 3rd generation Kuwaiti Very Happy Very Happy
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TheLewd is back, riding brother Nur's back to redeem himself on his image. Of course everything Nur said makes sense (even though I could not read everything posted here - why can't you summerize it?)

Instead of working tirelessly on disecting and dividing Muslims, calling them Shias, wahhabis, Salafis etc etc, why don't you focus that energy in drawing them nearer and highlighting the importance of what they have in common -which is many, instead of focusing what divides them - which is minor?

We all adhere to the Kitaab and the Sunnah, everything else is minor compared to these two.
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GREAT post Law. The BBC article was quite enlightening as to the backgrounds of Aweys and Ahmed. And Nur's post was well writte, and in my opinion, held a lot of merit.

Anyone with any common sense would know that Aweys brand of application of Sharia law will NOT work in Somalia. As the article stated, "now that the honeymoon is over" rifts are inevitable. As I said in another post, one you start interfering with Somali aroos, you're going to have trouble on your hands. Brace yourself for internal struggle.

Reb, you're a smart cookie. Instead of attacking Law, i'm greatly interested in your thoughts on both the BBC article and Nur's post.
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