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Before somalis converted to islam

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Somalis are predominantly Sunni Muslim. Before their conversion to Islam, some Somali groups worshipped an indigenous deity called Waaq.In Oromo culture, prior to the introduction of Abrahamic religions, Waaq denoted the single supreme and universal deity. Waaq created the universe with opposing but complementary and interdependent forces (such as night and day, young and old) in fine balance. This balance is called safuu (akin to the concept of Yin and yang), and the well-being of the universe depends on its maintenance."Waaq," in the Somali language, is the sound of the crow, which according to legend was an object of worship among Somalis. In fact, the word meaning "prayer" in Somali, tuko, is similar to the word for crow, tuke. There is a place in Somalia called Caabudwaaq, whose name means "worshipping Waaq".


somali langauge ranks Fourth language in Africa, after Arabic, Hausa and Yoruba.

you can learn so much from wikipedia. Shocked Shocked Shocked i found out some much i didnt know before.
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Waaq religion is really interesting.

Its the religion of all cushites, the strange thing is that when they immigrated from the sahara and nubia during the time of of the first dynasty in egypt, they were polythiests.
Maybe its becuase people always copy aspects of the nieghbouring advanced culture, in this case egypt.


It seems right after they reached the ethiopian highlands, they left the worship of many gods and went back to Waaq.
Why and how this happened is question that has plagued professor Megalomattis the Egyptian/Greek archeologist and foremost expert in this area.



The worshipers of waaq like all other cultures kept some of its animist roots, and continued to worship spirits and the ancesters along with waaq the supreme bieng, much the samw way Arabian Haniifs worshipped only Allah .

The differance is that the Arabs were more connected to the rest of the world through trade, and the rest of the world was very Polythiestic,
they soon elevated local spirits into Gods, like Hubaal, al laat and adopted foriegn gods like Marduuk, Ishtar and Bacal from iraq,
there were also hindu influences as indian traders in mecca were also allowed to place statues of shiva and ganesha along with others.

and i would take everything you see in wikipedia with a grain of salt.

Somali is actually number 5 in number of speakers, after Arabic,Hausa, Yoruba and Oromo.


We would be number six if you include the Mande languages, but Mande has split into so many dialects that many have become fully fledged languages in thier own right.
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Post by Intellectualsomali »

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Kiswahili (Swahili) is number two after arabic (which is the number 1 language). I guess there are more speakers of Oromo than somalis.

Waaq is a cushitic word that means God.
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Mohammed, do you know what this means!!,.... all your ancestors, your tribal men and those whom your lineage links to will go to HELL!! because they used to worship something other than Allah!!!.... if you are Majeerteen, Omar Mohamud and all the names will go to Hell, if you Habr Gidr, anyone that proceeds Eideed will go to hell as well, and for the Abgaal goes the same!!!... all your ancestors are going to hell
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^Omar Mohamud is a muslim name, They existed after the prophet pbuh and were muslims, u stupid idoit...

Are you trying to say that Shiek isaaq, Abdul-rahman Darood Ismail ect were gaalo?
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Post by mahamed99_sex »

homer simpson,what the hell is wrong with you.i just thought it would be interesting to know before somalis become muslim what they used to worship.




horta...isnt there a qabiil that is called waaq something.
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Post by avowedly-agnostic »

Homer's raised a valid point Mahamed sweety, if as you believe only Muslims can enter heaven, and all the rest of humankind will burn in hell, then what of the many people past and present (including your ancestors) that were never introduced to Islam?

Is the Almighty going to roast their flesh too until it burns away to then replace it with new flesh so they may "taste the punishment" ?
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Post by mahamed99_sex »

well homies...i dont know if all non believers will go to hell.


back to my point,this history dates way back like when islam was introduced.i dont think people will go to hell if they never knew about the religion to begin with.how can someone go to hell if they dont know about the religion or heard of it.does that make sense.i know iam not an expert on islam but it seems ridicluos to me to put some one hell who is deaf ear to the reason he is going to hell.its a different when the person knows about the religion.

ps...only god knows who is going to hell or not.
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Post by Galol »

Mahamed

Great post. Never thought about the Waaq/Crow/Tuko link.
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Post by mahamed99_sex »

thanx.....i didnt know about it too.until a friend recomeded me to go check wikipedia cuz i didnt understand half things he was writing to me.. Wink
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Post by avowedly-agnostic »

[/quote = Mahamed] i dont know if all non believers will go to hell. [quote]

Well let us see what the Quran says on the matter:

"the gates of heaven will not open for them (the nonbelievers) and they will not enter Paradise until the camel passes through the eye of the needle." (Quran 7:40)

The quran says that it's easier for a camel to pass through a needle than it is for a kind decent human being to be admitted to heaven (meaning it's impossible). Instead the quran says this is what awaits them:

"But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them and boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads...Every time they seek to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be driven back therein, and (it will be) said to them: "Taste the torment of burning" (Quran 22:19-22)

God pouring boiling water over people's heads? Not a particularly nice thing to do is it? And people say this being who is going to torture human beings as such is merciful?
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Post by mahamed99_sex »

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i aint gonna argue with you for the fact you know more about the quran than me ..so where the so called expert on islam on this forum.
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Post by avowedly-agnostic »

Mahamed

I'm somewhat perplexed here, why do you run to others for support and reassurance? Are you incapable of figuring things out for yourself? Do they think on your behalf?


The Quran is unequivically clear in its message. If you are a Muslim (provided you belong to the correct sect of the 73 of course) you will be admitted into gardens under which rivers flow, where you'll drink from rivers of wine, and enjoy the company of 72 virgins (mind you, that poses a problem given you're not a lesbian) and the nonbelievers from the past and present shall rot in the furnace of hell to have boiling water poured over their heads by the most merciful whenever they attempt to escape the fire which consumes their flesh.

Nice god eh?
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Post by Chemical-Ali »

Muhammad, nice post. there is no denying a Cush civilization existed while the Arabs were worshipping stones and statues. Read the following article.

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The Oromo Concept of "Waaqa" and Human Destiny

There are three religions in Oromiya: traditional religion, Islam and Christianity. Many Oromo practice traditional religion parallel with Islam or Christianity. Oromo religious belief is based on the view that there is only one Waaqa (God). The Arabic word Rabbi is also used by the Muslim Oromo and others to refer to their supreme being. According to the Oromo traditional religion, Waaqa has multiple attributes. Waaqa is He Who is before everything else. Waaqa is Uumaa (a creator of everything in the world). Waaqa is Hunda beekaa (omniscient). Waaqa is hundaa tolaa (omni benevolent). Waaqa is hunda danda'aa (omnipotent). Waaqa is the source and lover of dhugaa (truth). Waaqa is Qulqulluu (pure). Waaqa is intolerant of injustice, crime, sin and all falsehood. The Oromo never worshipped carved statues, trees, rivers, mountains or animals as substitutes.

But who is the creator of Waaqa? All of my informants agree that Waaqa is not a created being. Waaqa does not have an elder. There is nothing that has power over Waaqa. For the Oromo Waaqa is eternal and the final cause of all things. The Oromo thus had the concept of the monotheistic supreme God from time immemorial although the Oromo conception of God is quite distinct from the Western one. The Oromo conception of Waaqa illustrates that Momoh's generalization is unfounded. "There is nothing to feel ashamed about the fact that our notion of the Supreme God was extremely generated on account of our colonial exposure" (Momoh 1996, 62). Momoh contends that Africans have gods. He identified three gods, such as the ancestors and founders of the clan, the god of the water, mountain, forest or desert and the god of the staple crop or animal. He adds, "there are gods of the elements -wars, trade, hunting, moral gods -vengeance, protection; destiny gods-luck, blessing, misfortune and fate" (Momoh 1996, 63). Momoh further argues that "[t]here are no known African people who have one word for God. What we have are attributes, expressions and litanies describing and designating God. This, in line with what we have been arguing, is absolute proof that the notion of God in Africa is a result of Christian and Islamic Influences" (Momoh 1996, 64). The absence of proverbs, said Momoh, is a clear indication of the absence of the concept of God in traditional Africa (Momoh 1996, 67).

However, as has been stated earlier, the Oromo have one word for the supreme being-Waaqa. There are various Oromo proverbs which praise Waaqa. Examples include:

· Waaqa malee, gaariin hin jiru (BABO 1998, 624) (There is no one who is kind except Waaqa /God).

· Waan Waaqni fide lafti ba'aa hin dadhabu (BABO 1998, 122) (Whatever Waaqa brings the Earth does not fail to carry it).

· Namni yaa Waaqi jedhe Waaqarraa hin dhabu (BABO 1998, 481) (One who worships God will get everything).

-Waaqa nagayaan nu oolchite, nagayaan nu bulchi (Oh Waaq, you brought us through the day, bring us through the night)

-Yaa Waaqa nagayaan nu bulchite, nagayaan nu oolchi (Oh Waaqa you took us through the night, I pray you bring us through the day)
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avowedly-agnostic...how can i argue when i have lil knowledge about the quran.i just said iam sure they are people who know more than me.maybe those can put there 2 cent on it.get me.
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