Orthodox Rabbi:Israel Is Against Teachings of Judaism

[Gedo_Boy]

I never knew this viewpoint existed.

Here's the website:

http://www.nkusa.org/

He was interviewed on FoxNews, go to www.foxnews.com and in the Video category look up: 'Meet Jews United Against Zionism"

He says that the Orthodox Judaism teachings are against Zionism.

He also visited Iran, visited leaders and said that it is false that he wants to kill all Jews. He said that Jews were living in Arab countries for a long time and were not slaughtered.

He also said that mistaking Zionism for Judaism is causing a lot of people to hate Jews.

[Gedo_Boy]

From the website:

WHAT IS ZIONISM?
JUDAISM VERSUS ZIONISM

Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.


Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.


There is a vile lie, which stalks the Jewish people across the globe. It is a lie so heinous, so far from the truth, that it can only gain popularity due to the complicity of powerful forces in the "mainstream" media and educational establishment.

It is a lie which has brought many innocent people untold suffering and if unchecked has the potential to create extraordinary tragedy in the future.
It is the lie that declares that Judaism and Zionism are identical.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai. It is the belief that exile is a punishment for Jewish sins.

Zionism has for over a century denied Sinaitic revelation. It believes that Jewish exile can be ended by military aggression.

Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the Palestinian people. It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to persecution, torture and death.

Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short-lived dogma of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced.

The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not.

We of Neturei Karta have been in the forefront of the battle against Zionism for over a century.

Our presence here is to refute the base lie that the evil, which is Zionism, in some way represents the Jewish people.

The reverse is true.

We are saddened day in and day out at the terrible toll of death emanating from the Holy Land. Not one of them would have occurred if Zionism had not unleashed its evil energies upon the world.

As Jews we are called upon to live in peace and harmony with all men. We are exhorted to be law abiding and patriotic citizens in all lands.

We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. We yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome its abolition in a peaceful manner.

May we be worthy of true redemption when all men will join in brotherhood in His worship.

[Gedo_Boy]

Interesting quotes:

"Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short-lived dogma of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced."


"We are saddened day in and day out at the terrible toll of death emanating from the Holy Land. Not one of them would have occurred if Zionism had not unleashed its evil energies upon the world."

"We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. We yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome its abolition in a peaceful manner."

[Gedo_Boy]

"They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced."


As I stated before, the Rabbi is in complete agreement that the only time the Holy Land was peaceful and everyone co-existed was when Islam ruled the Holy Land.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

That's kind of a half truth. When Muslims rule, then they spend their time killing each other and aren't focussed on killing kufrs. But when Muslims are a minority or are dominated by someone else, they chaff. They have a hard time getting on with other who are more powerful,

[avowedly-agnostic]

That many Jews are opposed to Zionism is nothing new. The world's leading American intellectual and professor of MIT Noam Chomsky and professor Norman Finkelstein are just two well known examples of Jewish personalities taking a stand against Israeli policy.

Neturei karta's (the organisation cited above) position is untenable and unrealistic. Admirable their opposition to Israeli aggression may be, their refusal to recognise Israel is not so. Israel's existence is a fait accompli. To try to reverse it would cause immense bloodshed and strife. They're position that Isreal be peacefully dismantled is derived from religious scriblings from old, and is neither pragmatic nor realistic.

One can be anti-Zionist, and be opposed to Israeli policies of occupation, expansionism and aggression, without calling for the dismantling of Isreal and the uprooting of Jews.

I wonder however whether that'll cease anti-Semitism in the Muslim world: that in light of the many Jews virulently opposed to Isreal, whether Muslims will continue spewing hate and dishonest lies against Jews in their entirety. Mind you the Quran doesn't do much for inter-religious harmony either:"the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers...". (5:82)

[Gedo_Boy]

[quote="MAD MAC"]That's kind of a half truth. When Muslims rule, then they spend their time killing each other and aren't focussed on killing kufrs. But when Muslims are a minority or are dominated by someone else, they chaff. They have a hard time getting on with other who are more powerful,[/quote]



Please provide evidence specifically in the case of Jerusalem when Islam ruled.