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“America wasn’t founded as a theocracy,” he said. “America was founded by people trying to escape theocracies. Never in history have we had a Christian theocracy where it wasn’t bloody and barbaric. That’s why our Constitution wisely put in a separation of church and state."

55% of Americans who responded to the AOL poll agreed with the Pastor's position.

im sorry it looks like we're stuck with them for the foreseable future.

What about the Zoinist Lobby?

They have the same influence in American government as the Christian Zoinists.

When you have a country where 83% of the population believe according to polls, that Jesus flanked by angels is going to descend from the clouds in 50 years time or so, it speaks volumes of the superstitious dogma that pervades that society.

Religious fundamentalism seems to be on the march, further tightening its stranglehold on the nation. America needs a strong secular movement to reverse the political tide back to the days (if it ever were) where the lines between church and state weren't so blurry.

Anyone read Sam Harris' The End of Faith? Oh Crikey! You've got to read that, and when you have, perhaps you could kindly lend it to me so I may read it.

In a true democratic state, everyone gets to play. Even those whose views you think are retarded.

[quote="MAD MAC"]In a true democratic state, everyone gets to play. Even those whose views you think are retarded.[/quote]


so is everyone getting a play???? good example mid romney will became a president no matter what he trys simply he is a mormon so tell me mad

who getting play and who is getting played ???

Everyone gets to play. Everyone doesn't get to win.

A LOT of factors go into political weight. Money, associations, ideas, etc. etc. etc. All of them are legitimate. At the end of the day, everyone gets to play, everyone gets a vote. Now, that doesn't mean everyone likes the outcome. That will never happen since there are always people with dierging viewpoints.

MAD

Did I say anything about barring religious fundamentalists from running for office? I merely remarked that there ought to be a strong secular movement to counter the rise of evangelical Christianity, and to draw a distinct blue line (or whatever other colour that takes your fancy- it's just blue's my favourite) between church and state.

Or are you so grotesquely right wing that you read the opposite into everything a leftisit says even if when he's in complete concord with you?

Gurey,

This is what caught my eye. I think the idea has a certain amount of resonance. It is at least a challenge to the most bigotted.

“There is a lot of discontent brewing,” said Brian D. McLaren, the founding pastor at Cedar Ridge Community Church in Gaithersburg, Md., and a leader in the evangelical movement known as the “emerging church,” which is at the forefront of challenging the more politicized evangelical establishment.

“More and more people are saying this has gone too far -- the dominance of the evangelical identity by the religious right,” Mr. McLaren said. “You cannot say the word ‘Jesus’ in 2006 without having an awful lot of baggage going along with it. You can’t say the word ‘Christian,’ and you certainly can’t say the word ‘evangelical’ without it now raising connotations and a certain cringe factor in people."

"Did I say anything about barring religious fundamentalists from running for office? I merely remarked that there ought to be a strong secular movement to counter the rise of evangelical Christianity, and to draw a distinct blue line (or whatever other colour that takes your fancy- it's just blue's my favourite) between church and state.

Or are you so grotesquely right wing that you read the opposite into everything a leftisit says even if when he's in complete concord with you?"

There already is a distinct line. But you can't prevent people from taking their beliefs into office with them. You can only prevent them from creating law justified by that belief.

I am center right. But very much oppossed to the idea that religion should be part of politics. It is one of the reasons I did not vote for Bush.

There is ONE God who does not need a partener (may be friends, like U.K. and Israel).
Nothing can stop His way.
One of His 99 names is U.S.A.