somali christian killed by islamic courts

Somaliman% · Post by **Somaliman%** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:49 am

FAITH UNDER FIRE
Convert from Islam to Christianity killed
Refused to join crowd chanting verses from Quran during lunar eclipse

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Posted: September 16, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Michael Ireland
Â© 2006 Assist News Service

Somali Christian sources report Ali Mustaf Maka'il, a 22-year-old college student and cloth merchant who converted from Islam to Christianity 11 months ago, was shot and killed in the Manabolyo quarter of Mogadishu.

According to a report from the Barnabas Fund, quoting a Christian source inside Somalia, the gunman was loyal to the Union of Islamic Courts, the Islamist organization that took power in Mogadishu in early June and now controls much of southern Somalia.

The report states the gunman shot Ali in the back Sept. 7 after he refused to join a crowd chanting Quran verses in honor of the lunar eclipse. Solar and lunar eclipses are significant in Islam and are accompanied by special congregational prayers. The Union of Islamic Courts confiscated Ali's body for 24 hours before delivering it to the grieving family, the report said.

The Barnabas Fund comments: "It seems that under the new Islamist rulers, who include hard-line jihadi elements, the tragic history of persecution and martyrdom for Somalia's tiny Christian community is set to continue and most likely to worsen."

The group reports that in July there were unconfirmed reports three Christians had been shot and killed by Islamists as they returned home from a prayer meeting.

In October 2005, an evangelist and house church leader, Osman Sheik Ahmed, was shot dead by Islamist radicals, Barnabas said. Also, children of Christian Somali refugees in Kenya have been kidnapped by Muslim relatives and taken to Islamic institutions in Somalia for 'rehabilitation.'"

The Barnabas Fund pointed out the leader of the Union of Islamic Courts, Hassan Dahir Aweys, promised to implement Sharia, or Islamic law, in all areas he controls.

According to Sharia, the group explained, apostates Â– those who leave Islam for another religion Â– must be killed. Union of Islamic Court leaders even have threatened to kill as apostates Muslims who are lax in their prayers, claiming this is commanded by Sharia. Several Muslims have been flogged publicly for drug-related offences since the union took control.

The Barnabas Fund report states more then 99.5 percent of Somalis are Muslims and regard Christianity as a foreign religion of their historic enemies in Ethiopia and of their former colonial masters the Italians and the British.

It adds: "There is a long history of conflict between Muslim Somalis and Christian Ethiopians, so anti-Christian sentiment runs deep. Most Somalis take it for granted that a true Somali is a Muslim and converts to Christianity must be traitors. These prejudices, widely held by Muslim Somalis, seem to be used to justify violence against Christians, both indigenous and expatriate.

The group says the inherent hostility toward the West and Christians has risen since the U.S.-led military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq and the recent Israeli campaign against Hezbollah.

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DR-YALAXOOW · Post by **DR-YALAXOOW** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:51 am

that BULSHIT.. just dadka yahuuda jecel probogandada ay ISLAAMKA IYO WANAAGA XAMAR KA JIRA AY KA FAAFIYAAN,, WAXBA KAMA JIRO HADALKAAS

eyes-only · Post by **eyes-only** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:02 pm

Making fake reports like that is how they make their money. Anyone that says Somalia has any less than a 99.9% muslim population is cooking up a lie. I know Christian Somalis and even they know that there were more foreign Christians in Somalis than Christian Somalis.

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:20 pm

[quote="eyes-only"]Making fake reports like that is how they make their money. [quote]

How do you know it's false? Given how orthodox Islam views apostates, it's very plausable that young man was killed as reproted.

Don't most muslims believe this: "According to Sharia, the group explained, apostates Â– those who leave Islam for another religion Â– must be killed?"

[quote] Anyone that says Somalia has any less than a 99.9% muslim population is cooking up a lie. .[/quote]

except there's no evidence to support this. moreover, apostasy being crime there's no way to really know how many somalis really believe in Islam and how many are just pretending to avoid death or other untoward fates.

fagash_killer · Post by **fagash_killer** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:25 pm

propaganda

TZ Somali · Post by **TZ Somali** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:11 am

I don't know if it is true...but let assume it is for the sake of this post..one thing for sure i won't be mourning the death of any christian Somali...not me...

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:47 am

Al Qaeda says all non-believers have to convert or be put to the sword. So much for "there's no compulsion in religion."

Post by **Basra-** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:21 am

Mac Sonkor. Rolling Eyes

highclass · Post by **highclass** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:47 pm

[quote="MAD MAC"]Al Qaeda says all non-believers have to convert or be put to the sword. So much for "there's no compulsion in religion."[/quote]

But is al Qaeda Islam? Are Al Qaeda the ones that wrote the quran? You talk a lot of bullshit. What do you know about Islam?

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:50 pm

Highclass
Well, I did read the Qur'an, and much of the hadith as well.

Are Al Qaea Islam? No. Do many people here sympathize with the a$$holes? Yes.

highclass · Post by **highclass** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:04 pm

[quote="MAD MAC"]Highclass
Well, I did read the Qur'an, and much of the hadith as well.

Are Al Qaea Islam? No. Do many people here sympathize with the a$$holes? Yes.[/quote]

But you are not basing anything you say about on the Quran or Hadith...

People my sympathize with some of the things the believe in and not all of it...

sirataal_mustaqeem · Post by **sirataal_mustaqeem** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:37 pm

[quote]According to Sharia, the group explained, apostates Â– those who leave Islam for another religion Â– must be killed. Union of Islamic Court leaders even have threatened to kill as apostates Muslims who are lax in their prayers, claiming this is commanded by Sharia. Several Muslims have been flogged publicly for drug-related offences since the union took control. [/quote]

Allahu Akbar! Finally, an Islamic state seems to be rising. Alhamdulillah,

Although they should be a bit easy with the prayer part. Ofcourse a person who does not pray AT ALL, is considered as a kafir in Islam because the Prophet (saw) described to us what differentiates a kafir and a Muslim and that is the prayer!

But masha'Allah, hopefully it will be safe to move back to somalia!!

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:02 am

Sirataal
HOWEVER, NOBODY can claim someone who says he is Muslim is not. THAT is also haram. It is haram to say a specific person is kufr because they don't pray. And there is no Shari'a penalty for it. Praying is between Allah and the individual.

sirataal_mustaqeem · Post by **sirataal_mustaqeem** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:47 pm

Peace be upon those who follow true guidance,

[quote="MAD MAC"]Sirataal
HOWEVER, NOBODY can claim someone who says he is Muslim is not. THAT is also haram. It is haram to say a specific person is kufr because they don't pray. And there is no Shari'a penalty for it. Praying is between Allah and the individual.[/quote]

Are you still around?

Firstly, yes...no one can claim someone is NOT a Muslim WITHOUT any evidence. But, for example, if a person claims to be a "Muslim" but at the same time worships someone/something other than Allah, The Almighty, The Most High, the Only One worthy of Worship, then this person is a kafir because they are going against the words of Allah (SWT)!

Secondly, the Prophet (peace be upon him) told us, Â“Between a person and kufr and shirk stands the abandonment of prayer.Â” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2766. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Maajah, 1078, and by al-Albaani).

So by looking at this hadith, we understand that if a person abandons his/her prayer they have left the fold of Al-Islam, because salat (Prayer) is what stands between (differentiates) a believer and a disbeliever.

And also in another narration, Â“The difference between us and them is salaah. Whoever neglects it is a kaafir.Â” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad and the authors of Sunan with a saheeh isnaad).

[quote]The scholars, including Imaam Ahmad, said that whoever does not pray should be executed as a kaafir, and his body should not be washed or shrouded, the funeral prayer should not be offered over him, he should not be buried in the MuslimsÂ’ graveyard and his Muslim heirs cannot inherit from him.[/quote]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said at the end of his life, while on his final sickness:, "(Adhere to) prayer, (adhere to) prayer and (take care of) those whom your right hands possess (i.e., slaves).Â”

(Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 3/117; Ibn Maajah, 2697; Ibn Hibbaan, 1220. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-IrwaaÂ’, no.2178).

Peace be upon those who follow true guidance and may Allah (SWT) guide us all to the straight path....ameen

afdhere · Post by **afdhere** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:55 pm

this is barbaric! Mad

do they actually, honestly, think god supports that kind of thinking? uffo.

afdhere