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Respect for the Prophet vs Freedom of Speech?

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Beheaded prophet opera dropped

A Berlin opera company cancelled a Mozart production over security fears because it features the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad and Jesus.

Deutsche Oper said "incalculable" security risks would be posed by staging Idomeneo.

"We know the consequences of the conflict over the (Muhammad) caricatures," the opera company said in a statement.

"We believe that needs to be taken very seriously and hope for your support."

The opera was staged in Berlin in 2003, drawing criticism over a scene where the king presents the heads of Greek sea god Poseidon, Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha.

The director, Kirsten Harms, said security officials had now warned of possible problems if the production went ahead, and that it was in the best interests of performers and opera-goers to cancel it.

'On the offensive'

But Berlin's mayor, Klaus Wowereit, said the director had made the wrong decision to scrap the production.

"Our ideas about openness, tolerance and freedom must be lived out on the offensive," he told the Associated Press.

"Voluntary self-limitation gives those who fight against our values a confirmation in advance that we will not stand behind them."

Germany's interior minister called the cancellation "unacceptable"

Germany's Islamic Council leader, Ali Kizilkaya, supported the cancellation, saying the Muhammad depiction could offend.

"Nevertheless, of course I think it is horrible that one has to be afraid," he told Berlin's Radio Multikulti.

"That is not the right way to open dialogue."

The decision closely follows the furore caused by a speech made by Pope Benedict in which he cited an ancient text featuring Muhammad, sparking angry street protests around the world.
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What do you think? Did the German do the right thing dropping this opera?
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Whats so entertaining about decapitated heads of religious leaders regardless of which religion. Personally i think it was for the best you never know what reaction it might have drawn. So its safer this way, although i gotta say people are running out of ideas if torturing, humiliating and slandering religious leaders is entertaining what next Confused
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It was colossal mistake and one that I think is harbinger of what's to come. Political Correctness was bad enough already. Now we got this absurd notion that religions must be respected. A horrible idea.

No idea, religion or person is sacred or beyond reproach. THe moment you consider anything beyond criticism, irrespective of taste in which it's done, you're inviting tyranny and oppression.
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The problem arises from one thing....the non muslims want to force...well directly (Bush and Co) or inderectly(the rest) to have their values and ways of life to muslims....while all we're asking for is just leave us alone....whoever wants to accpet your ways will do it on his/her own way...but stop provoking us, while the muslims dont want to force anyone to accept the religion, well maybe for few extremists.

You know no muslim have never or would ever make fun of Jesus or Moses or God...because they are all sacred in the muslims view...but this whole trend of religious ridicule was cleverly introduced by the Jews and accepted by some of the christians(not the right wing fanatics) so that they, the Jews, could live amongst them peacefully while scking their blood.

I say they did the right thing by cancelling it. Why inflame already a hostile situation unless all you want is to add lets just say Alcohol into the fire??? why ???why?? I say no good reason....

Along with Freedom of speech, comes responsibilties and respect for other people's faith and things they value the most!!!!!!!
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German economy is very weak they cant afford a boycott from more than 2 billion ppl thats why they stopped it

Western ethiests worship money and are afraid losing jobbs

When you have more than four million muslims in your country and half of them are German citizens
you have to think the consequences
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Good point, Cawar. I was inclined to think that they did the wrong thing because this could give reasons to the fundamentalists to, after this, ask for another things in the West to be banned and so on... But your rationale is right and clear as water. up

I'm also with Dhusa that everything can be critizised. Even Islam, if you do it from a respectful point of view.
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Shocked Shocked
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Kamal
the problem is we do not understand each other, i mean our civilizations,tradations and believes ,most Christians don't take their religion that seriously,most of the time it's not part of their daily lives ,so when someone joke about or critizise their believes they do not react to it as Muslims or some Jew do ,for most muslims Islam is a part of every little thing in their lives ,and their loyalty to what they believe in is stroger then any other faith followers, we believe that the core of our believe (God,Quraan,our Prophet) shall not be subject to criticism nor Joke
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Double.... Shocked Shocked
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naa maxaa ku hayana , orodo afur raasdo naga hor dhaqaad weesadana ha naga jabin
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'weesadana ha naga jabin ' Laughing Laughing Laughing


Garad-- can i ask u?? Who is that person in your avatar?? U have him there for a long time. Is he a relation? Confused
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Post by dhuusa_deer »

when you stifle freedom of expression, you get stagnation. or modern Islam.

Why would Europe follow Islam beats me. Again, this whole business respecting of religions is grievous mistake and step backward to pre-enlightenment times when scientists and critical thinkers were persecuted for challenging entrenched orthodoxies.


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[quote="Garaad_LQ"]Kamal
the problem is we do not understand each other, i mean our civilizations,tradations and believes ,most Christians don't take their religion that seriously,most of the time it's not part of their daily lives ,so when someone joke about or critizise their believes they do not react to it as Muslims or some Jew do ,for most muslims Islam is a part of every little thing in their lives ,and their loyalty to what they believe in is stroger then any other faith followers, we believe that the core of our believe (God,Quraan,our Prophet) shall not be subject to criticism nor Joke[/quote]

I get the point, Garaad. Yes, here we're accostumed to critizise religion (Christianity) and what it represents (The Vatican, the pope, etc) in all kinds of ways, so there's a certain inclination to treat other religions in the same way, without thinking that it can be offensive to other people. That's the reason, here in Europe, that the Europeans are so shocked when someone reacts in the way that, for us, is overreacting. I can critizise everything of Christianity, Jesuchrist included and nothing will happen. And when it happens, as it took place with the movie 'The Christ's last temptation', we consider it weird and strange. For the Europeans, Freedom of Speech is the first rule. I mean, if a christian believer doesn't like the movie 'The Christ's last temptation', it's easy: "don't go to the cinema". But, as you said, the problem is that we should start learning to respect each others. In both sides. And to consider that some religious values are beyond any critizism for some people.
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you need some somali history lessons ....young lady
that's the Last Suldan of Ard al-somaal(Somaliland) Laughing
one of Somali's heros along side Sayid Mohamed Abdulle,Boqor Cisman,and all the others

u don't care about some Madow history ,curry girl

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Kamal ,
I believe the Muslim reaction , i mean the way they reacted violently was unjustified and it wasn't form Islam rather then ignorance ,the people who took into the streets should shown their disagreement with the Pope's commenet in peaceful and civilized way or leave the manner to the Muslim top repersantives sush 3ulama al umah Muslim scholars ,and muslim governments to deal with it ,and open dialogue with the west to discuss our side of the stroy and our views
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Freedom of speech is in itself pick and choose in the West, it's not exactly the way they want us to believe. It applies to some and to some it doesn't.

I dare any European or Western to utter one negative iota on the Jewish holocaust, then we will believe the relevance of the bogus freedom of speech.
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