Islam's Imperial Dreams: A good read by Ephraim Karsh
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:14 am
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Islam's Imperial Dreams: A good read by Ephraim Karsh
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:39 am
still breathing eh?
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:42 am
Yep. Even had the energy to read the whole article. At your age, it should be a snap!
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:01 pm
Oh come on. Islam doesn't have imperial dreams. Muslims don't want to impose Islam on us. They say so all the time here.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:07 pm
What nonesense
Muslims cannot defend themselves, or practice self determination.
how are they to rule anyone else.?
Muslims cannot defend themselves, or practice self determination.
how are they to rule anyone else.?
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:47 pm
Now there is an argument I would like to see you take up with Aiman Al Zuwaheri and Ahmadinejad. 
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:59 pm
This is pretty good. Mr. I-just-like-somali-people is finally showing his true colors. I knew from the beginning that he was either a spy or a missionary. With this article, he has proven to be both.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:37 pm
Lion
Spy? What is he going to try and find out? You have nothing.
Spy? What is he going to try and find out? You have nothing.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:58 pm
MAD MAC-Didn't I say he was spying on me? My life is an open book.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:14 pm
Lion
When I said you, I meant the Somalis.
When I said you, I meant the Somalis.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:45 pm
[quote="Grant"]Now there is an argument I would like to see you take up with Aiman Al Zuwaheri and Ahmadinejad. [/quote]
You have offended President Ahmedinejad by lumping him with Ayman al zawahiri.
ahmedinejad is a regular guy, who has the backing of his entire country
and support and sympathy from around the world for standing up to Western Imperialists and the Zionists, who see it as thier right to interfere in his country.
His comments about annhilating isreal, is seen as no more outragous than those comments uttered by Western Politicians about regime change in Iran, at least thats how the rest of the world see it.
on the other hand Ayman al zawahiri and Osama bin ladin are irelevant
they have little to no support , no influence.
There image is the creation of the Western media that require a boogeman. Alqadida doesnt exist and if it did it is quite harmless.
[/quote]You have offended President Ahmedinejad by lumping him with Ayman al zawahiri.
ahmedinejad is a regular guy, who has the backing of his entire country
and support and sympathy from around the world for standing up to Western Imperialists and the Zionists, who see it as thier right to interfere in his country.
His comments about annhilating isreal, is seen as no more outragous than those comments uttered by Western Politicians about regime change in Iran, at least thats how the rest of the world see it.
on the other hand Ayman al zawahiri and Osama bin ladin are irelevant
they have little to no support , no influence.
There image is the creation of the Western media that require a boogeman. Alqadida doesnt exist and if it did it is quite harmless.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:22 pm
"His comments about annhilating isreal, is seen as no more outragous than those comments uttered by Western Politicians about regime change in Iran, at least thats how the rest of the world see it. "
Gurey25,
That is an excellent point u make. If Ahmedinejad is loony for talking about the destruction of another country, what does that make George Bush who actually destroyed a country(Iraq).?
In any case, his words were mistranslated. He uses language that is identical to Khomeini's when discussing Israel, nuanced and metaphysical and political. A correct translation of the offending word is not annihilating Israel but something like Ending the zionist state. Not quite the same. History may be kinder to him in this case than, let us say George Bush; the same way history is kinder to Khadafi who called for the End of the apartheid state when Reagan and Thatcher were calling for "constructive engagement" with that racist and malignant regime.
Gurey25,
That is an excellent point u make. If Ahmedinejad is loony for talking about the destruction of another country, what does that make George Bush who actually destroyed a country(Iraq).?
In any case, his words were mistranslated. He uses language that is identical to Khomeini's when discussing Israel, nuanced and metaphysical and political. A correct translation of the offending word is not annihilating Israel but something like Ending the zionist state. Not quite the same. History may be kinder to him in this case than, let us say George Bush; the same way history is kinder to Khadafi who called for the End of the apartheid state when Reagan and Thatcher were calling for "constructive engagement" with that racist and malignant regime.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:38 pm
[quote="gurey25"]What nonesense
Muslims cannot defend themselves, [quote]
Yes, we know. Because of their own self-imposed handicaps. Courtesy of the One True religion.
Muslims cannot defend themselves, [quote]
Yes, we know. Because of their own self-imposed handicaps. Courtesy of the One True religion.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:36 pm
The day will come when Islam's imperial dreams turns reality. Islam doesnt' have to impose religion or its way of life on others but the preaching of Islam based on tolerance and knowledge and the final conquest of the world will lead to its materialization.
BTws,
I wonder why Western authors often ignore the contribution of Islamic civilization to the world. Why not show gratitude that without Islam, we would have been in the dark ages.
BTws,
I wonder why Western authors often ignore the contribution of Islamic civilization to the world. Why not show gratitude that without Islam, we would have been in the dark ages.
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:44 pm
[quote="ABSAME'"]The day will come when Islam's imperial dreams turns reality. Islam doesnt' have impose religion or its way of life on others but the preaching based on tolerance and knowledge and the final conquest of the world will lead to its materialization. [quote]
you might want to re-write the above. you contradict yourself a half dozen times in 2 sentences.
[quote] Why not show gratitude that without Islam, we would have been in the dark ages.[/quote]
without Islam, we would still have todays world. made even better with 1.2 billion less delusional ppl.
record keeping and stamp collecting is not science. which is what Islam did. with all the knowledge Islam got from the lands it conquered, it wasn't able to use 'em to invent or innovate anything. it was the europeans who invented the telescope, microscope, discovered lenses even though the muslims had the requisite knowledge for centuries.
you might want to re-write the above. you contradict yourself a half dozen times in 2 sentences.
[quote] Why not show gratitude that without Islam, we would have been in the dark ages.[/quote]
without Islam, we would still have todays world. made even better with 1.2 billion less delusional ppl.
record keeping and stamp collecting is not science. which is what Islam did. with all the knowledge Islam got from the lands it conquered, it wasn't able to use 'em to invent or innovate anything. it was the europeans who invented the telescope, microscope, discovered lenses even though the muslims had the requisite knowledge for centuries.