EVOLUTION VS. ATHIESM

Gacalisa · Post by **Gacalisa** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:29 am

Now a days, and time and time again, athiests have been using evolution as a clear evidence that God does not exists, but I was wondering is it fair to say that evolution and evolutionariests, such as Darwin really intended thier work to be used as prove on whether God exists or not.

Evolution and its scientists do infact try to explain exactly how the world started, but they fall flat as soon as they get the last cell which started it all or boombed it all.

does evolution really explain the universe as a whole or just the history of humankind? no, it doesnt explain the sun, the moon, earth's axis, why, becuase it does not know.

so should atheists use evolution as their primary source?

yes, no, maybe so?

Kamal35 · Post by **Kamal35** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:35 am

Not necessarily if you believe in evolutionism you have to be an atheist. In my country, a lot of people who are believers (christians) also believe in the evolution. I don't see any collision of having faith in something and understanding evolution. The signs of evolution are here, there and everywhere and it's strange (for me) that there's people who deny them.

Post by **Basra-** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:36 am

Atheists are hardcore Skeptics, simple as that. Evolution is just their way to justify their nature --which is perpetual skeptic of everything or anything. They are so detached from their humanity that its becoming a joke; and ironically they stand behind evolution which is in essence a sort of a way to get to know humanity.Gacalisa..the question is-- are you buying into the game of Skepticism? Rolling Eyes

michael_ital · Post by **michael_ital** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:39 am

If i'm correct, Darwin wasn't an atheist.

Kamal35 · Post by **Kamal35** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:42 am

Just the opposite: Darwin saw the miracles of God in the evolution of the species.

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:42 am

Gacalisa

There is onething you should know, and that is that the Quran doesnt in any way, shape or form contradict or defy science and logic...and some of these evolutionary theories could as well have been true, in terms of how things might have started and all....but what they fail big time is that their theories fail to come up with the undeniable fact that everything has to have a strarting energy and there has to be a provider of that energy in which we believe to have been God unlike them evolutionists/Atheists.

Anyways, that is a discusiion for another topic...just keep in mind Evlution doesnt always mean false.

Kamal...you are right ....I agree with you in there.

michael_ital · Post by **michael_ital** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:45 am

"the undeniable fact that everything has to have a strarting energy and there has to be a provider of that energy in which we believe to have been God unlike them."

Excellent synopsis.

Gacalisa · Post by **Gacalisa** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:49 am

I understand exactly what you all are claiming and stating, but what i dont understand is why athiests use evolution as their source of prove.

and mike, i never said Darwin was an athiest, I said would he not be offended that his natural selection theory would be undermined?

michael_ital · Post by **michael_ital** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:53 am

'Lisa, it was more a statement or observation than a rebuttal. Smile

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:42 pm

[quote="Gacalisa"]Now a days, and time and time again, athiests have been using evolution as a clear evidence that God does not exists, but I was wondering is it fair to say that evolution and evolutionariests, such as Darwin really intended thier work to be used as prove on whether God exists or not. [quote]

You're lying. And very badly too.

I have met innumerable atheists in real life. Read about exponentially more. Nary one has yet expressed his/her believe in Evolution Thoery having anything to do with their atheism. THe two are not mutually exclusive nor inclusive. Belive in one doesn't obligate 1 to believe the other.

It's true alot of atheists believe in evolution theory and I would say that has a lot to do with fact atheists are persuaded more by sound arguements and evidence than by magical thinking and mysticism. They're more honest as tests/studies after test/studies have shown. Atheists are more intelligent, hence able to UNDERSTAND evolution theory better than their theist counterparts. I'm sure there are other influential reasons for their believe in Evolution Theory but those are the main ones.

Atheism is the simple rejection of THEISM. Nothing more, nothing less. Without theism they'd be no atheism. Atheism would make no sense without it's polar opposite, theism. In some ways, it's reactionary. I wouldn't call myself an atheist if there were no theists.

Evolution on the other hand is SCEINTIFIC theory. Like theory of gravity and thermodynamics. The reason it attracts so much negative reaction has nothing to do with it's scientific shortcomings. INstead, it garners the wrath of theists who feel the theory threatens their own explanation of human origin as told in by their "creator." Afterall, Evolution Theory blows out of the water Creationism and it's six days of creation story. As far as the scientific community is concerned, Evolution Theory is as good as "proven" fact.

I as an atheist believe Evolution Theory because of the overwhelmingly convincing evidence for it. THe day a contrary evidence crops up, I'll reconsider my acceptance of Evolution THeory's validity without hesitation. That's all it takes really. Contrary evidence. Evolutin THeory provides an explanation of how living things arose from non-living things, how all living things today are descendents of the first living thing/s... it makes falsifiable predictions. It's been put through the test, subjected to more closer scrutiny than any other theory. The evidence we've gathered up to now validate Evolution THeory. That means the theory is as good as gold. Is it perfect? NO. Does it provide answers to everything? No. Will it one day in the future? Maybe, maybe not. But that takes away nothing from the FACT that all living things today arose from a common ancestor. Evolution is a FACT. Evolution THeory only provides an explanation for that fact.

[quote]Evolution and its scientists do infact try to explain exactly how the world started, but they fall flat as soon as they get the last cell which started it all or boombed it all. [quote]

You mean the FIRST living thing/cell? That's the field of Abiogenesis, not evolution. It pays to know what you're critiquing before you shoot off your mouth. Or you'll be considered low budget dilettante.

[quote]does evolution really explain the universe as a whole or just the history of humankind?[quote]

No. Evolution explains the HISTORY, ORIGIN and descent MECHANISM of all LIVING THINGS.

[quote]no, it doesnt explain the sun, the moon, earth's axis, why, becuase it does not know. [quote]

Why would you expect Evolution THeory to explain the sun, the moon and earth's axis? When the theory itself NEVER claimed to explain any of 'em?

[quote]so should atheists use evolution as their primary source?

yes, no, maybe so?[/quote]

Well, this is not a question at all. It's a bold statement with question mark at the end. Why? Cuz it's Non sequitur; ie it doesn't follow from preceeding evidence or reason.

dhuusa_deer · Post by **dhuusa_deer** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:54 pm

[quote="michael_ital"]"the undeniable fact that everything has to have a strarting energy and [quote]

I agree. My question is: does that extend to God as well? If not, then why not?

[quote]there has to be a provider of that energy in which we believe to have been God unlike them."[/quote]

THere are many many things in our universe that have no "provider" supplying them energy. How do you explain them? I'll give an example. Birth of a new star.

michael_ital · Post by **michael_ital** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:12 pm

[quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="michael_ital"]"the undeniable fact that everything has to have a strarting energy and [quote]

I agree. My question is: does that extend to God as well? If not, then why not?
. [/quote]

If I could answer that, i'd be rich AND famous. Or, more accurately, famous then rich.

Post by **Basra-** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:15 pm

Idiots.

Gacalisa · Post by **Gacalisa** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:35 pm

Ok DD

this was not an aim to offend you, but since you took it, I wont take it back lakiin.

I was stating what I believed to be significant with athiests. whether you agree or not.

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:47 pm

[quote="michael_ital"][quote="dhuusa_deer"][quote="michael_ital"]"the undeniable fact that everything has to have a strarting energy and [quote]

I agree. My question is: does that extend to God as well? If not, then why not?
. [/quote]

If I could answer that, i'd be rich AND famous. Or, more accurately, famous then rich.[/quote]

Its easier than you think mike..No energy forms out of thin air without an instigator, an starter or a switch... Ex.by clapping you hadns you can switch the lights on or off...so that makes you the provider..therefore...If itsnt God that has started all of this...it must have been another entity capable and powerful enough to put all this in motion...the question is where is that entity?? and why hasnt IT claimed to be the source of this energy God knows for millions of yrs??

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