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NL may become the first European country to ban Muslim veils

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/...1945461,00.html

Netherlands moves toward total ban on Muslim veils

The Netherlands may become the first European country to ban Muslim face veils after its government pledged yesterday to outlaw the wearing in public spaces of the niqab, or veil, and the burka, or full-length cloak covering the head.
The right-leaning coalition said last night that it would look for a way to outlaw the wearing of all Muslim face veils. The grounds for a ban were laid last December when parliament voted in favour of a proposal to criminalise face coverings, as part of a security measure proposed by a far-right politician, Geert Wilders .

Rita Verdonk, the immigration minister, signalled that the government would now push for a total ban, even though the legislation would be likely to contravene Dutch religious freedom laws.
"The cabinet finds the wearing of a burka undesirable ... but cannot at present enforce a total ban," the Dutch news agency ANP quoted her as saying after a cabinet meeting.

Ms Verdonk suggested that existing legislation which limits the wearing of burkas and other full-body coverings on public transport and in schools did not go far enough, and that the cabinet would discuss as wide a ban as possible in the coming week.

"The government will search for the possibility to provide a ban," her spokeswoman told the Reuters news agency.

The announcement is in stark contrast to the laissez-faire image of the Netherlands. The country is known for its tolerance for drugs, prostitution and euthanasia, but in recent years has passed some of Europe's most unforgiving entry and immigration laws.

Religious tensions have been heightened by the murder of film director Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-Moroccan militant in 2004, and by the dramatic rise of Pim Fortuyn, an anti-immigration and anti-Muslim gay politician who was assassinated by an animal rights activist days before national elections in 2002.

Muslim groups estimate that as few as 50 women out of 1 million Dutch Muslims wear the burka or the niqab, but the groups have protested that a ban would increase feelings of victimisation and alienation. "What the government is doing now is totally disproportionate to the number of women who actually wear the burka," said Ayhan Tonca, chairman of an umbrella group of Dutch Muslim organisations. "The legislation we already have to protect people for security reasons is adequate," he added.

One Dutch-born Muslim, identifying herself only as Hope, told Reuters that she wore the niqab because she wanted to. "Nobody has the right to forbid it. If someone decides I cannot wear it, then I will feel suppressed," she said.

The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a nationwide ban on Islamic face coverings, but other states have already outlawed them in specific places.

The proposal comes at a time when the debate on veils and whether they prevent Muslim women from integrating, has gathered momentum across Europe, and has drawn comments from Tony Blair and Italy's prime minister Romano Prodi. In 2004, France banned wearing of overt religious symbols in schools, arguing they were contrary to its separation of church and state.



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molsima that will happen cuss if you look at the polls cda leads while leftist are losing votes although sp is now in the second third place after pvda and cda were on neck and neck race but alot of anjibiis were dissapointed in them and are willing to vote for sp. we all know that the netherlands are beeing financied by zionists if we dont stand up now like americans did than i fear the most for our country
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Faqash_killer no I dont think so, this was motion of Wilders, de Kamer had to prove coz of election time now, beside they just find out that the freedom of religion law its holding for the cabinet to ban now, as verdonk said on friday they looking if they can harres those lady with Burqa by police asking them everytime for ID under the terrorismlaw which is introduce from jan-2006 which require everyone to carry their ID-card this way, they want to make for the ladies diffecult to wear the face veil(burqa), as most Dutch think like police have nothing beter to do then ask women with face veil for their ID-card Laughing Laughing

Nah.. will not hapopen just nice try for the election fever beside there aren't many ladies wearing a face veil in holland, you lucky if u come across 1 on street for the whole year Wink

Nb; dont forget we have seen last election on ban moves for Islamic schools. impossible to do so coz of Art.21....... same here Very Happy
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I think that is a good idea.

Every country should pursue what is best for their society.

If a muslim woman is denied the right to wear a veil she should go to a muslim country where she can wear her veil until the end of the world.

I think Saudi Arabia being a rich Arab country should volunteer to repatriate all the Muslimas denied their veil privileges to the Land of the Prophet and give them instant citizenship and social services that they lost in the Netherlands.
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[quote="Mosliima"]Faqash_killer no I dont think so, this was motion of Wilders, de Kamer had to prove coz of election time now, beside they just find out that the freedom of religion law its holding for the cabinet to ban now, as verdonk said vrijdag they looking if they can harres those lady with Burqa by police asking them everytime for ID under the terrorismlaw which is introduce from jan-2006 which require everyone to carry their ID making This way they want to make for the ladies diffecult to wear the face veil(burqa), as most Dutch think like police have nothing beter to do then ask women with face veil for their ID-card Laughing Laughing
Nah.. will not hapopen just nice try for the election fever beside theirn't many ladies wearing a face veil in holland, you lucky if u come across 1 on street for the whole year Wink
Nb; dont forget we have seen last election on ban moves for Islamic schools[/quote]

i agree with you its jus like you said,its just nothing else than nice try for the election fever, but remember that discrimination in netherland is growing between allochtonen en autoctonen but also between rich and pore its just an fact the rich gets richer en the pore gets poorer, strange but these guys had ignored their importants law and thats articel 1. gisteren heb ik zo op nieuws gezien dat meer dan 13.000 of zelfs meer nederlanders geimigreed zijn vooral naar belgie duitsland en andere landen, well remember that this will damage the economy of holland its we who run holland what will happen if alot of workers give up their job and go their neighboor country, on other hand dutch extremists will get happy with this in their eyes is holland finnaly getting stricter to allochtonen, thnx to verdonk(vvd) although alot of dutch extremists were dissapointed in vvd when verdonk attacked ayaan hirsi, than we have wilders in the eyes of dutch extremists he is the right man that could lead netherlands he had 3 votes and now he got six votes, so it has an effect to extremists and even to not so extremists in their eyes are allochtonen getting to violence in their country and now cda still leads so think about it what happens if right-politcs once again win, the situation is not gonna change and matter of fact they will follow bush policy blindly remember that they wanted to send extra troops to afghanistan, and what about samir a he didnt do shit although he says loudly that he is against kufaars and he used to be member of mohammed b crew, now they jailed him 15 years i mean comon this wont change any thing slowly is holland changing in to an police state, although i agree with them on banning the face veil, but i disagree with them on the way they want to ban the face veil
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Lets hope SP will have HUGE victory in this election Wink
Dont forget their hate rubbish will not work for long, in 4 yrs its now 3rd election.... By Allah they turn to each other as we have seen before the fall of the cabinet. By Allah they will not succeed again, inzhallah
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yeah may sp win Very Happy


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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

Funny how Muslims, who hate leftist values, love leftist political parties.
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[quote="MAD MAC"]Funny how Muslims, who hate leftist values, love leftist political parties.[/quote]

Who says Muslims hate leftist values Confused . Leftist are humanist and we love them as our religion is peace and human way of life.. we do not like those who wants to devide and created haters between mankind, thats how we Muslims see thing unlike you madmac. I have always been left/socialist minded before and after. So are many muslims who have been left minded in their whole life Arrow

PSsss: madcow I did post Somali news here... I post all kind, European, Islam world, and ofcourse entertainment like lately Iran actress news and Americans... Rolling Eyes bugger off about Moslima I see u post every thread something abt moslima... get a life, bend over for Olga
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