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Jimmy Carter

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If Jimmy Carter was given two decades to run the U.S.A, only two decades, Mad Mac will now have been an unemployed bugger. Laughing Carter is loathed by many in America and even called him the worst U.S president, while many others in the globe respect him as a decent American. Laughing His 21st book will be released this week “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid” (Simon & Schuster).

What do you think of this guy?

An interview with him.

Q: In your book, you argue that ‘because of powerful political, economic, and religious forces in the United States, Israeli government decisions are rarely questioned or condemned.’ Can you explain that more fully?

A: I’ve been all over the Holy Land, I’ll call it, just for a kind of a shorthand description, since the 1970s — the last 30 or 40 years — from Lebanon down to the Sinai. And I’ve been up into the Golan Heights three times, and I’ve conducted three elections there — and I’ve seen the coverage given to Israel’s activities in Europe and in Israel itself — a highly contentious debate over [Israel]. There is no such debate in the United States. There’s not any debate in the Congress. There’s not any debate in the White House, at least since George Bush Sr. and I were there, and in the news media of the United States there is very rarely any editorial comment that would criticize some of the practices of Israel which I consider to be deplorable — and that is the persecution of the Palestinians, and the occupation and confiscation and the colonization of Palestinian land. So there’s no open debate in this country if it involves any criticism of the policies of the Israeli government, even though many people in Israel debate and condemn some of the policies of the right-wing governments under Sharon and Netanyahu and others.

Q: Lately there has been a lot of discussion about the role of the ‘Israel lobby.’ Can you say a little bit about how that impacted you as president? Has it changed over time?

A: Well, I think the Israel Lobby — so-called to use your phrase, that’s not my phrase — is much stronger now and much more effective now than it was when I was in office. I felt, for instance, that we should sell F-16 airplanes to Saudi Arabia so Saudis could defend themselves against threats from Iran, and Aipac and others were adamantly against it, but we finally prevailed. And I called within three months of when I went into office for a Palestinian homeland. And I worked for the Camp David accords, which called for Israel’s political and military withdrawal from the occupied territories, and so forth, and I think that that kind of independence was also exhibited by George Bush Sr., who condemned Israeli settlements in the West Bank and even withheld funds from Israel, which I never did, by the way.… That’s almost an impossibility now in the present political environment of America.

Q: In response to Republican claims that the Democratic Party is weakening in its support for Israel, Democratic leaders — most prominently Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean — have recently issued statements saying that you do not represent the Democratic Party on Israel. What is your response?

A: They are right. I don’t speak for the Democratic Party. In fact, I don’t think anybody speaks for the Democratic Party, including Howard Dean or Bill Clinton or Nancy Pelosi. The Democratic Party is an umbrella under which multiple voices exist. I would just refer to my own record as a president — I was the one who negotiated a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt, not a word of which has ever been violated, and I worked throughout the entire four years to bring peace to Israel within its own borders. I don’t have to explain my credentials in terms of bringing peace to Israel.

Q: Do you think that most Democrats agree with your views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

A: If you talk about members of the Congress, I would say no, because the Congress members are almost universally silent as far as any criticism of anything that the Israeli government does. But I think that’s an anomaly among Democrats in the entire country, and, in fact, among Americans all over. I think there’s a tremendous concern that Israel has refused to accept the premise that Israel can have peace if it’s willing to define its borders along the official internationally recognized line — that is, the Green Line — modified, if necessary, and I think it would be necessary, by good faith negotiations with the Palestinians on a swap basis. But Israel has not been willing to do that, and I think if Israel doesn’t do it, I don’t see any possibility that Israel will ever know peace, certainly not in my lifetime, if they insist on confiscation and occupation of Arab land.

http://www.forward.com/articles/carter- ... he-middle/
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He did wonders for the peanut. Smile
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Michael

He is a peanut farmer and still works in the yard. I dont know much about him, but to many I talked to, he commands from them lots of repect as a courageous American. Even McNamara the Vietnam War era U.S defence minister now turned a "traitor" to Yankees, did you see him defending Sadam? Laughing

Reading an excerpt of his new book, he reminds me that Australia is similar to the U.S, when it cmes to the politics of the Middle East. There is an ex-conservative prime-minister president of Care International, who often critizes his own party (current government) openly with these and other humanitarian issues.
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Sounds like an interesting read. But McNamara defending Saddam ? This the same man who proclaimed the population explosion to be the gravest threat facing the first world in the history of man, and condoning the creation of a new virus (HIV) to curb the explosion.
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Michael

Briefly, he was Sadam's attorney/barrister. HIV. I never heard, have to google later.
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"and condoning the creation of a new virus (HIV) to curb the explosion."


How ironic, killing a few people makes you a murderer. However, to conspire the wholesale annihilation of hundreds of millions to a billion people is stuff that the 'top minds' can come up with.


That's assuming, ofcourse, that HIV is man-made
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"The Secretary of Defense 1962-1970 was Robert Strange McNamara. As early as 1966 McNamara considered the population explosion especially in Africa to be a great danger. He considered the population growing faster than the gross national product dangerous, and the World Bank had a dominant role to play in solving the problem. In a speech at Notre Dame in 1969 McNamara stated “ the children who were dying were fortunate, for the millions of those who lived languidly on were stunted in their bodies and crippled in their minds.” Robert Strange McNamara, World Bank President, made a speech October 2, 1970 to international bankers in which he identified population growth as "the gravest issue that the world faces over the years ahead."

In his speech to the bankers McNamara argued that population growth was leading to instability, that a 10 billion world population would not be "controllable."

Said McNamara, "It is not a world that any of us would want to live in. Is such a world inevitable? It is not sure but there are two possible ways by which a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birth rates must come down more quickly or the current death rates must go up. There is no other way." In 1969 in a speech at Notre Dame he called the African population explosion “a mushrooming cloud of overpopulation”. (Promise & Power Life & Times of Robert McNamara). In 1970 the US intensified its development of “ethnic weapons” (Military Review Nov., 1970) Let us not forget the funding issued by the Congress at the behest of Dr. MacArthur for budget year 1970 was approved by Secretary of Defense McNamara. McNamara became head of the World Bank and assured funding to the US Special Virus Cancer Program.

I have one last thing to ask. If some white man called a black man the “N” word we would hear about it and the ensuing fight for the next two weeks as a racist hate crime on all three major networks. Where then is the media, where is Jessie Jackson, where is the NAACP to cry as the voice for hundreds of millions dying through this genocide?"


http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aids.htm


A LOOOONG ass read, but well worth it. The most chilling thing i've ever read, no exaggeration.
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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

Carter has a lot of valid points here. It is the flip side of the argument. Like I said, only a$$holes live in the middle east. A normal person would never consider living in that shithole.
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Mad mac supports Carter views?? I thought Maddy was republican? Confused Rolling Eyes
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Nope, politically independent.
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Post by AbdiWahab252 »

CARTER's weakness lead to the USA not to support Somalia against Ethiopia in 1977.

Now if Nixon was still in power at the time, well, Somalia's borders would have included Ogadenia
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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

The truth is nobody is going to support a change in the border anymore. Why can't Somalis get used to the idea?
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Post by AbdiWahab252 »

MAD... I agree. I fully support the integration of Somalis into their respective governments. Fock, my uncle was a Minister in the Kenyan government. He was rumored to be appointed as a Vice President. Someday, I can see a Somali as President of Kenya.
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[quote="AbdiWahab252"]MAD... I agree. I fully support the integration of Somalis into their respective governments. Fock, my uncle was a Minister in the Kenyan government. He was rumored to be appointed as a Vice President. Someday, I can see a Somali as President of Kenya.[/quote]

Abdi

Agree with you personally i can see my uncle president of Ethiopia and myself somaliland and my inlaw The great Gen Abdi Qaybdiid south somalia.
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