Rational Qabiilism

[PragmaticGal]

Is it possible?

Let's say that we have a multi-party democracy in Somalia. Most parties will be aligned along qabiil lines, naturally. Could each representative member of parliament strive to do the best for his/her qabiil, without any ill-will towards those of other qabiils? In the same way that a US senator or member of Congress tries to get funding and kickbacks for his/her constituents with little rancour directed at other parts of the country.

[Ina Baxar]

Wallahi , I don't really know about Somalia , but a multi-party system is in place in Somaliland and political sympathy doesn't necessarily equate with tribal origin.

[Basra-]

[quote="PragmaticGal"]Is it possible?

Let's say that we have a multi-party democracy in Somalia. Most parties will be aligned along qabiil lines, naturally. Could each representative member of parliament strive to do the best for his/her qabiil, without any ill-will towards those of other qabiils? In the same way that a US senator or member of Congress tries to get funding and kickbacks for his/her constituents with little rancour directed at other parts of the country.[/quote]




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[XidigtaJSL]

In Somaliland most MPs are moving away from tribal politics and to party politics, in the last election, a father, mother and son all voted for different candidates and parties. This requires more education and training, thank god most of the new MPs are younger, more educated and thus can bring a fresh breed of politicians who look beyond clan politics

[Cawar]

This is not a thread to make propaganda for somaliland...whats wrong with these qaldaans???

If anything..the last place in somalia that will abondon qabiil would Sland...and thats just my oppinion.


Prag,

We are at level -3, its hard to predict how life would be at +7 or 8 or 9.

[Basra-]

Cawar

I think its easy to predict sweety.


Inaa hebel killed inaa hebel--lets revenge.

[Niya]

Pragmaticgal, first tell us what is rational about qabiliismo?

Qabiilism just fragements and alienates people who otherwise share the same language and culture (not sure about religion with the advent of cults)

The 4.5 concept is doomed. How can one aspire to run a modern government, yet insist on basing everything i.e. government roles and positions etc. etc. on a 4.5 formula and NOT on qualifications and merit.

Qabiilism tol jilib laf rer my inadeer against my brother. Never ending fragmentation and alientation.

[SomeGuy]

Pragm,

It all depends on the people, constituents who elected this Parliament Member (MP). If the constituents happen to be some sheep that don't have some kind of political awareness, and there is no some kind of checks and balances to measure how he/she delivers what he/she promised, then the MP would drive these sheepish constituents into no where.

However, if the constituents have some kind of political awareness, and there is some kind of checks and balances to measure how he/she delivers his/her promises, and then the MP would drive these constituents to green-grass land.

However, I don’t know the part of “without any ill-will towards those of other qabiils”. Is it possible that one of his/her promises when he was campaigning, was ill-will towards the other qabiils?.

For instance, letÂ’s say that an X clan happens to have some vendetta against Y clan, and the MP, during his/her campaign, promised if elected, he/she will kick Y clanÂ’s stinking azz?. Well, I guess if elected, this MP should deliver. DonÂ’t you agree?. And remember we are talking about Somalia and Somalis business here, where oneÂ’s loss is oneÂ’s gain.

And mind you! Somalia is land which their Legends go things like the following:

Once upon time, there came an angel, Nabi Khaddar, like Santa Clause character, in Christian version, to a man ridden by poverty. “Is there anything, you would like to ask the giving and Almighty God, sir?” asked Nabi Khaddar to the man.
“Ahhh! MMM! You mean I can ask anything???” inquired the poor-shocked man.
“yeah, You see sir, the Almighty is the one that gives to his mankind anything they ask. And that is why one of God’s names is giver. Thus, you can ask anything” replied by Nabi Khaddar.
The confused man couldn’t make up his mind. He was silent for a while. “I am waiting “ said the angel reminding the man to make up his mind.

Finally, the confused Somali said “You see, my neighbor, here?” .
“Yes!. What about him?” asked by the angel. “He was giving me some kind of I am better-than-thou attitude these days”.
Then, the confused angel asked “So?. What do you want me to do about that?”.
There was sad on man’s face. And it looked like he was holding back tears. He proceeded by saying “ It all started the last dry season when I lost dozen of sheep while he did lost only two sheep”.

“Ok, please proceed” said by Nabi Khaddar want to give over as soon as possible to this man and his gifts and move to next since it was the holy night and the lines was long.

“Please take 11 of his sheep away, so I come on top the game of sheep counting” said by the typical Somali man.

The angel couldn’t believe this. Then angel said in calm and serene way “But I am not Angel of punishment or he who takes anybody to anything away. I can give you 10 sheep, so you have more sheep or equal sheep than your neighbor”.

“No, I don’t want that” insisted by the man. “I want him to taste how sour the loss is. And that is all I am asking the Almighty God ” cried by the focked up Somali man.

“You lost your chance. Bye bye, buddy” said by Nabi Khaddar.

And according this legend, Nabi Khaddar flew away like a lighting feeling so sad first time in his life!

Thus, it is imperative that some Somali clans and constituents would elect their MPs to inflect pain to others.


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[Basra-]

Someguy


R u SERIOUS?

[SomeGuy]

Basra,

Of course I am dead serious!. What do you think put us the point we are in--the point of "No return". We are punch of "saaxidiin".

Not to mention , this legend is from Burco! AHAHAha .

And I am being serious!

[Kramer]

The Ku Klax Klan of Darod, Hawiye and Isaq --Who destroyed much of Horn of Africa and Somalia in general --don't know when to stop--

these Klans who are the main problem and obstacle to the progress and unity of greater Somalia will not let the other somali tribes who are more peaceful and civilized to run the country--and unless eliminated the infamous klans will eliminate us.



remember this
"unless we eliminate the Klans, the infamous Klans will eliminate us"

[Modern-poli]

Qabilism use to be rational, but these days it is not. Back in the days there were elders who represented each qabil and the elders were respected by all qabils. They would sort out all problems among the people. However these days there are no elders, no wisdom in the current structure of qabil. Even with the tribes you get sub-tribes and sub-sub-tribes--unless the individual is part of your blood relative you arenÂ’t going to trust them. The problem with Somalis is that they live in a state of Zero-sum: this means that, in order for one to win, another must loose.

[Demure]

Prag, is it possible? Highly doubt it particularly with current parties, to whom Qabilism and Rationality is an oxymoron. All of them aspire to not only reach the top of the ladder but more importantly ensuring the rest fell off (and I'm using "the rest" loosely here it could include a close relative of a different subtribe). This is adequately displayed in the utter refusal to compromise between ICU and TFG and the tremendous distrust not only between the two but also among themselves where each one of them may have disunified mutlitpe agenda's internally.

Look at Cawar here he doesn't sound happy hearing about the Northerners possible success and had to refuse consent when he could have taken it as a possive direction for our fellow Somalis.

Prag, that vision is not happening in a long time it's not even visible in our narrow scope yet!

[The-Screw]

can pigs fly?

will bush ever say something smart?

can basra stay thin for a year?

dude, what you're asking here is impossible.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="PragmaticGal"]Is it possible?[/quote]

Stop regurgitating hackneyed questions. I've already refuted legitimacy of clanism ages ago in these very pages, forget about any pretense to "rationalism".