Its obvious the current political stand-off between the T.F.G and the UIC his partly the attribute of Abdullahi Yussuf lack of political charisma and most importantly lack of intellectual capacity to ascertain the social and political reality in northern Somalia. The invitation of the SomaliÂ’s arch enemy (Ethiopia) troops in the ground to counter the rise of UIC was a product of instinctive imprudent political calculation that based on the fact that UIC and its leadership are mainly from the Hawiye tribe. However legitimate his concern was, it was fair to look beyond the tribe of the men but the political ideology they spouse and above all their agenda for the country.
Having observed the political quagmire that led to the inception and subsequent rise of UIC; Firstly the formation of Islamic court was born out of the necessity to drive the malignant cancer that is the ‘warlords’ that for so long held the country and its citizen for ransom most notably in the capital, where the city was broken into fiefdom ruled by ruthless men and the foot soldier whose solely purpose of life have for long been to extract ransom from the inhabitants and business of this city. Second there were no one central authority in the city with ability to address the concern of the inhabitants, thus has made the security situation dangerous, but this insecurity has been addressed by Islamic Court to the excitement of the citizen of Mogadishu and surrounding vicinity.
Thirdly its only natural we give credit where is due, UIC has been able to achieve so much in limited to time, and so far should they be granted the opportunity I do not doubt that their capable of repeating similar political and security feats evidence in Mogadishu. Although I do have a reservation with regard to their ability to adopt of enforce social stance similar to that of Taliban, in Afghanistan, I so far inclined to support of them on one fact, unlike Abdullahi Yussuf who seek to redeem himself politically from a foreign entity that strife to see Somalia in tartar and in infinite chaos, I have personally opted to support UIC irrelevant of its leaders their tribes, because the source of their agenda is derived from religion and teachings that I prescribed to thus Islam.
For peace to prevailed and become a permanent fixture in Somalia, we ought to propagate a one unified voice that seek to build Somalia for all its inhabitant, a voice that is relevant for all and does not have qabil tone, I so far found this voice not from Abdullahi Yussuf and his henchmen but from the likes of Sheikh Aweys and his foot soldiers, although with the involvement of foreign troop in the conflict the dream of many peaceful loving Somalis like me will remain on hold for the time, rest be assure that time will not posed indefinitely as the power of ALLAH is superior to that of a mere Abdullahi Yussuf and his political coach in Adisababa.
VIVA UIC
A/Y a political prostitute for Zenawi's Political goals
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Cilmiile
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We cant afford to turn Somalia into a hellish obscurantist backwater.
Taliban is not the solution.
Cabidlaahi Yuusuf was elected at a ntional reconciliation conference. And since his election the man has bent over backwards to accomodate his rivals and adversaries.
The Wahaabi Terrorist cult of the ICU are the ones who started on a course of aggression and expansion. and today they attacked the seat of the government at Baydhabo.
They are threatening Somaliland
They are threatening Puntland
They are renewing Somali irredentist claims on neighbouring states by declaring that they will liberate Somalis living under Ethiopian and Kenyan colonial rule. Even if yoiu agree with this, it is still incautious and imprudential to declare such hostile intentions against a massively superior foe who is already harbouring deep enmity for you.
But wahaabis combine their arrogance and cruelty with terminal stupidity.
Taliban is not the solution.
Cabidlaahi Yuusuf was elected at a ntional reconciliation conference. And since his election the man has bent over backwards to accomodate his rivals and adversaries.
The Wahaabi Terrorist cult of the ICU are the ones who started on a course of aggression and expansion. and today they attacked the seat of the government at Baydhabo.
They are threatening Somaliland
They are threatening Puntland
They are renewing Somali irredentist claims on neighbouring states by declaring that they will liberate Somalis living under Ethiopian and Kenyan colonial rule. Even if yoiu agree with this, it is still incautious and imprudential to declare such hostile intentions against a massively superior foe who is already harbouring deep enmity for you.
But wahaabis combine their arrogance and cruelty with terminal stupidity.
I heard majerteen ladies used to biyatch slap pms in the middle of their confrence cesion during that time and thats what made the abgal guy to shrip about foul play majeerteens were commiting both male and female as he seen it fit...Can you imagine living during that time? I know i would b*tch smack those that dare to bad mouth our leaders and let them later on free style about a how un hospitable we're...
Cilmiile, You are definite right we neither can afford to turn Somali into a theoretician state nor can we afford to turn Somalia to the hands of A/Y and his political fallacy. First and foremost is fair for the sake of this debate to clarify a number of things; one which is more notable in your reply is the link you have made to Taliban. ItÂ’s a fact that UIC just like the Taliban emerged from humble beginning to drive out the warlords who have for so long hold these two ridden country to ransom, other than the above fact that I have stated I see no link or similarity in between UIC and Taliban. Most of these assume link to terrorism has been choreograph to undermine UIC as political power in and out of Somalia.
The assertion you have made was the that A/YÂ’s government was conceived in democratic process in Mbagathi in Kenya, but that seems so far from the truth and the structure of TFG parliament today clearly assume otherwise. There are about 120 parliamentary members amongst of which as dozen Warlords that notably include the President himself. The entire government was conceived not through a democratic process as you have put but it was born out of tribal structure thus determined what tribes hold what position and how many sit they will occupy in Baidoa that has always been the contention issue through the political process in Kenya and off course throughout the previous attempts by International community.
As you might know democracy implies the rule for all by all, in other word the rule by majority donÂ’t get me wrong here, I am not assume that any tribe should have the power all to itself, we know from previous experience the injustice, inequality and political prosecution that might rest in one tribe. What I am implying is if TFG was conceived through a just and a democratic process that will be reflected through public opinion and above all public support, as far I as I can tell the opposite seem to be true. You have a leader with no any political influence and the necessary faculty to enquire the mood of his subjects (Somalis); a leader that his political life have been paved not by his intellect for that matter but through his military career thatÂ’s why compromise and understanding lacks from his political verbs the only thing he knows betters is the use of military power to solve and settle dispute, but this time around luck and odds are not with him that is why he has sort the political and military support from Somalis arch rival the Ethiopian government to redeem his non existence government and a political fallacy that seems to only control a mere fraction of the country Baidoa and sorounding vicinity.
The other points you have mentioned are the threat mounted to Somaliland and Puntland, there is no way I can validate your claim but if is true there is no doubt reflects the zeal within UIC I personally nether supports that nor the claim to retrieve Somalia's territories from both in Kenya and in Ethiopia and I am certain most Somalis share that feelings too.
With regard to the separation of state and faith, a vital factor in healthy democracy, however important it is will not work in Somalia, first the psychology of most if not all are deeply entrenched in Islam irrelevant of tribes or clan and secondly is worthy noting that despotism or even liberal democracy may govern without faith, but liberty cannot. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie is not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people who are their own masters if they are not submissive to the deity. And since democracy implies "rule by majority" that sufficing public opinion will construct which sort of government and governance style may be instituted in Somalia. Example the majority of Somalis in Mogadishu have shown there loath for tribal politics and clan warfare that have lay siege of the capital city for almost two decades and dispense thousand of innocent life to early and unnecessary grave. Is there any thing wrong if majority of Somalis in the northern have similar political and social views that favors UIC? IsnÂ’t that democracy in the smallest sense?
So whatÂ’s wrong if the majority of the inhabitants choose to have an Islamic style local government that seek to spouse and govern the city by Shariah law? My views is the will of the people have to be respected if they have opted for a government that govern through Shariah law so be it? no external entity have the right to question the will of those people simply on the premises that global terrorist groups may seek by default to called Somalia home or form an intricate relation with the government by default since they both Moslem.
I believe that Sharia law if is carefully and thoughtfully applied that it will teaches all Somalis, who will but consult it, that being equal and independent irrelevant of qabil and class, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions for that matter and may not unless it be to do justice on an offender, take away, or impair the life, or what tends to the preservation of the life, liberty health or property of another. And is through the Shariah Law that the rampant abuse unleashed by backward ideology of qabil and not to mention the psychological, financial and political abuse dispense by previous regime(s) in Somalia such as the likes of Siyat Barre against there chosen victims based on their tribal characteristics, as Sharia Law will remove any subtle abnormalities engraved in typical Somali culture of pathological association with qabils, Shariah law unlike man made laws is indifference and does not give a fock to Derod/Hewiya/Essak or any other tribal institution, and any leader that seek to base the functionality of his/her government on qabil modus operandi will find hard to circumvent the system.
The truth is the TFG days are number thanks to Abdullahi YussufÂ’s poor foresights and imprudent political calculation he has finally render legitimacy, credibility and moreover public supports inadvertently to UIC that will definitely once and for all relegating him and his political fallacy to the garbage bin of SomaliaÂ’s political history.
The assertion you have made was the that A/YÂ’s government was conceived in democratic process in Mbagathi in Kenya, but that seems so far from the truth and the structure of TFG parliament today clearly assume otherwise. There are about 120 parliamentary members amongst of which as dozen Warlords that notably include the President himself. The entire government was conceived not through a democratic process as you have put but it was born out of tribal structure thus determined what tribes hold what position and how many sit they will occupy in Baidoa that has always been the contention issue through the political process in Kenya and off course throughout the previous attempts by International community.
As you might know democracy implies the rule for all by all, in other word the rule by majority donÂ’t get me wrong here, I am not assume that any tribe should have the power all to itself, we know from previous experience the injustice, inequality and political prosecution that might rest in one tribe. What I am implying is if TFG was conceived through a just and a democratic process that will be reflected through public opinion and above all public support, as far I as I can tell the opposite seem to be true. You have a leader with no any political influence and the necessary faculty to enquire the mood of his subjects (Somalis); a leader that his political life have been paved not by his intellect for that matter but through his military career thatÂ’s why compromise and understanding lacks from his political verbs the only thing he knows betters is the use of military power to solve and settle dispute, but this time around luck and odds are not with him that is why he has sort the political and military support from Somalis arch rival the Ethiopian government to redeem his non existence government and a political fallacy that seems to only control a mere fraction of the country Baidoa and sorounding vicinity.
The other points you have mentioned are the threat mounted to Somaliland and Puntland, there is no way I can validate your claim but if is true there is no doubt reflects the zeal within UIC I personally nether supports that nor the claim to retrieve Somalia's territories from both in Kenya and in Ethiopia and I am certain most Somalis share that feelings too.
With regard to the separation of state and faith, a vital factor in healthy democracy, however important it is will not work in Somalia, first the psychology of most if not all are deeply entrenched in Islam irrelevant of tribes or clan and secondly is worthy noting that despotism or even liberal democracy may govern without faith, but liberty cannot. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie is not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people who are their own masters if they are not submissive to the deity. And since democracy implies "rule by majority" that sufficing public opinion will construct which sort of government and governance style may be instituted in Somalia. Example the majority of Somalis in Mogadishu have shown there loath for tribal politics and clan warfare that have lay siege of the capital city for almost two decades and dispense thousand of innocent life to early and unnecessary grave. Is there any thing wrong if majority of Somalis in the northern have similar political and social views that favors UIC? IsnÂ’t that democracy in the smallest sense?
So whatÂ’s wrong if the majority of the inhabitants choose to have an Islamic style local government that seek to spouse and govern the city by Shariah law? My views is the will of the people have to be respected if they have opted for a government that govern through Shariah law so be it? no external entity have the right to question the will of those people simply on the premises that global terrorist groups may seek by default to called Somalia home or form an intricate relation with the government by default since they both Moslem.
I believe that Sharia law if is carefully and thoughtfully applied that it will teaches all Somalis, who will but consult it, that being equal and independent irrelevant of qabil and class, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions for that matter and may not unless it be to do justice on an offender, take away, or impair the life, or what tends to the preservation of the life, liberty health or property of another. And is through the Shariah Law that the rampant abuse unleashed by backward ideology of qabil and not to mention the psychological, financial and political abuse dispense by previous regime(s) in Somalia such as the likes of Siyat Barre against there chosen victims based on their tribal characteristics, as Sharia Law will remove any subtle abnormalities engraved in typical Somali culture of pathological association with qabils, Shariah law unlike man made laws is indifference and does not give a fock to Derod/Hewiya/Essak or any other tribal institution, and any leader that seek to base the functionality of his/her government on qabil modus operandi will find hard to circumvent the system.
The truth is the TFG days are number thanks to Abdullahi YussufÂ’s poor foresights and imprudent political calculation he has finally render legitimacy, credibility and moreover public supports inadvertently to UIC that will definitely once and for all relegating him and his political fallacy to the garbage bin of SomaliaÂ’s political history.
[quote="karkaar"]I heard majerteen ladies used to biyatch slap pms in the middle of their confrence cesion during that time and thats what made the abgal guy to shrip about foul play majeerteens were commiting both male and female as he seen it fit...Can you imagine living during that time? I know i would b*tch smack those that dare to bad mouth our leaders and let them later on free style about a how un hospitable we're...[/quote]
Karkar yyou can do better than that my friend you do not have to insult an entire tribe simply you don't share one of their member his political stance.
Sahib ceeb wayee..take care..
Karkar yyou can do better than that my friend you do not have to insult an entire tribe simply you don't share one of their member his political stance.
Sahib ceeb wayee..take care..
Tz sorry if my words offended you in any way and shape, i was just joking around with unclebin...
I don't held any grudges against any particular group or race, neither do i approve any foul play of my people against others....We're all somalis no matter what our political stance are.....I have half brothers and sistas whose mother is habargidir sacad and their mom who is my eedo is like my mom....We're all brothers don't let the kaftan fool you sxb....This eedo of mine brought like hella people from her family of which i have great deal of respect..As a matter of fact we're all making a trip back to the homeland....They invited me to stay with them incase i want to go back to xamar and in return we're doing the same while their stay in puntland...
I don't held any grudges against any particular group or race, neither do i approve any foul play of my people against others....We're all somalis no matter what our political stance are.....I have half brothers and sistas whose mother is habargidir sacad and their mom who is my eedo is like my mom....We're all brothers don't let the kaftan fool you sxb....This eedo of mine brought like hella people from her family of which i have great deal of respect..As a matter of fact we're all making a trip back to the homeland....They invited me to stay with them incase i want to go back to xamar and in return we're doing the same while their stay in puntland...
[quote="karkaar"]Tz sorry if my words offended you in any way and shape, i was just joking around with unclebin...
I don't held any grudges against any particular group or race, neither do i approve any foul play of my people against others....We're all somalis no matter what our political stance are.....I have half brothers and sistas whose mother is habargidir sacad and their mom who is my eedo is like my mom....We're all brothers don't let the kaftan fool you sxb....This eedo of mine brought like hella people from her family of which i have great deal of respect..As a matter of fact we're all making a trip back to the homeland....They invited me to stay with them incase i want to go back to xamar and in return we're doing the same while their stay in puntland...[/quote]
BROTHER NO PROBLEM YOU HAVE NOTE INSULT ME IN ANY WAYS, I THOUGH PEOPLE OF THAT PARTICULAR TRIBE YOU HAVE MADE KAFTAN ABOUT MIGHT BE OFFENDED...ANYWAYZ JOKES LIKE THAT ARE CLOSE FRO COMFORT FOR MANY SOMALIS, YOU MIGHT SAID FOR KAFTAN SUM 1 MIGHT FEEL OFFENDED...TAKE SAHIB
I don't held any grudges against any particular group or race, neither do i approve any foul play of my people against others....We're all somalis no matter what our political stance are.....I have half brothers and sistas whose mother is habargidir sacad and their mom who is my eedo is like my mom....We're all brothers don't let the kaftan fool you sxb....This eedo of mine brought like hella people from her family of which i have great deal of respect..As a matter of fact we're all making a trip back to the homeland....They invited me to stay with them incase i want to go back to xamar and in return we're doing the same while their stay in puntland...[/quote]
BROTHER NO PROBLEM YOU HAVE NOTE INSULT ME IN ANY WAYS, I THOUGH PEOPLE OF THAT PARTICULAR TRIBE YOU HAVE MADE KAFTAN ABOUT MIGHT BE OFFENDED...ANYWAYZ JOKES LIKE THAT ARE CLOSE FRO COMFORT FOR MANY SOMALIS, YOU MIGHT SAID FOR KAFTAN SUM 1 MIGHT FEEL OFFENDED...TAKE SAHIB
Wallahi I wish there was no qabil system within Somali culture, I personally adore all irrelevant of their tribe what's important for me is one's personality and content of his character. I guess this is part of my sijui sychic don't knw but im sure if I was to born to Somali i will be inherently qabilist, Thank i wasn't born there...
TZ.....Reer xamars of all qabiils were in the same boat as you sijui people are now, or atleast some.but look @ them butchering each other along qabiil lines now in somalinet..
Don't let them people from baadiye infilterate and take root in your society, man....Cause if they do, you guys will be in the same fate as the reer xamars.....
Experience is the best teacher...
Don't let them people from baadiye infilterate and take root in your society, man....Cause if they do, you guys will be in the same fate as the reer xamars.....
Experience is the best teacher...
[quote="karkaar"]TZ.....Reer xamars of all qabiils were in the same boat as you sijui people are now, or atleast some.but look @ them butchering each other along qabiil lines now in somalinet..
Don't let them people from baadiye infilterate and take root in your society, man....Cause if they do, you guys will be in the same fate as the reer xamars.....
Experience is the best teacher...[/quote]
Walahi you are rite, some people told me the sijuis of north eastern Kenya are already hooked to the qabil heroin. I hope and pray that qabil won't inflitrate my sychic now and in near future..I know certainly i won't be qabilist for sure. I went to Finland last year for a wedding of my somalian childhood friend from Mozambique..believe i have known him for the last 20 years of my life and until now I swear in the name of ALLAH I don't know his tribe...i doubt his much docile than me when it comes to qabil so is my believe he neither know mine...at the end wat matters is not the qabil but is the individual and friendship
Don't let them people from baadiye infilterate and take root in your society, man....Cause if they do, you guys will be in the same fate as the reer xamars.....
Experience is the best teacher...[/quote]
Walahi you are rite, some people told me the sijuis of north eastern Kenya are already hooked to the qabil heroin. I hope and pray that qabil won't inflitrate my sychic now and in near future..I know certainly i won't be qabilist for sure. I went to Finland last year for a wedding of my somalian childhood friend from Mozambique..believe i have known him for the last 20 years of my life and until now I swear in the name of ALLAH I don't know his tribe...i doubt his much docile than me when it comes to qabil so is my believe he neither know mine...at the end wat matters is not the qabil but is the individual and friendship
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