Why I support Limited Ethiopian Intervention in Somalia
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Why I support Limited Ethiopian Intervention in Somalia
We all witnessed the warm welcome that was given to the courts, known collectively as the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) for getting rid of the Xamar based warlords and bringing a level of peace and security.
Indeed, we (Somalis) had high hopes at the time, but as we have all come to witness during this ICU short existence those hopes of lasting peace and security have been dashed by the rapid consolidation of power on the part of hardline elements within it.
“Hardliners like Hassan Dahir Aweys, virtual monopoly on coercive and financial assets has allowed the hardliners to outmaneuver moderates and dictate policies.”
...And since assuming central roles within the ICU, these very hardliners turned the very ideology of this movement on its head.
So it is fair to say with them wielding power now all peace loving people are at a threat, because I know for a fact as long as radicals such as former al-Ittihad leaders Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys and Co. exercise effective control over the ICU, they will never agree to negotiations with the TFG. Their openly declared goal is the establishment of an Islamic state across the Horn of Africa with a twist needless to say.
As of now though, the ICU threatens the TFG on it own home turf and so far because of this Somalia is at the brink of civil war; the only ally that so far promised to walk the walk when push comes to shove is Ethiopia...Now!
Ethiopia has three basic alternatives for dealing with the crisis:
1. Full-scale intervention to defeat the radical Islamists; Ethiopian troops try to enter Mogadishu and help the TFG establish itself there.
2. Limited intervention to stabilize the situation and isolate the radical Islamists, followed by negotiations to include moderate Islamists in the Transitional Federal Government. UN-sanctioned peacekeepers could then be brought in. Ethiopian troops would not try to enter Mogadishu.
3. Negotiation only; No intervention: Unilateral withdrawal of existing Ethiopian forces; imposition of a tighter arms embargo, and diplomatic initiatives to promote negotiation between the TFG and the UIC. If negotiations fail to resolve the crisis, Ethiopia could follow a containment policy and (A) wait for the UIC to implode due to internal clan, economic, and religious divisions, or (B) defend itself within Ethiopia against an expected radical Islamist jihad to recover "western Somalia" and against additional foreign-sponsored subversive activities
The first alternative would be a disaster and must be avoided. The last alternative, (negotiation and defensive containment along the Ethio-Somali border) would be reasonable under normal circumstances when dealing with a sovereign state. But giving the radical Islamists and their foreign allies a free hand in stateless Somalia is an abdication of responsibility. The end result could be far more costly to Ethiopia (and Somalia) in the long run.
But this is the alternative recommended by the experts of the International Crisis Group (ICG), and many, (if not most) knowledgeable western observers.
...But the ICG's recommendation for negotiation without intervention has no chance of success...I mean what do they care if Somalia ceases to exist since their safe and sound from any harm. Only a relatively small number of western tourists are at risk, and few western economic interests are at stake. However, were Somalia located on the border of the United States or any of the European countries, the same experts would not hesitate to recommend decisive intervention. But Ethiopia does share a long border and history with Somalia, and its vital interests are at stake.
Indeed, we (Somalis) had high hopes at the time, but as we have all come to witness during this ICU short existence those hopes of lasting peace and security have been dashed by the rapid consolidation of power on the part of hardline elements within it.
“Hardliners like Hassan Dahir Aweys, virtual monopoly on coercive and financial assets has allowed the hardliners to outmaneuver moderates and dictate policies.”
...And since assuming central roles within the ICU, these very hardliners turned the very ideology of this movement on its head.
So it is fair to say with them wielding power now all peace loving people are at a threat, because I know for a fact as long as radicals such as former al-Ittihad leaders Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys and Co. exercise effective control over the ICU, they will never agree to negotiations with the TFG. Their openly declared goal is the establishment of an Islamic state across the Horn of Africa with a twist needless to say.
As of now though, the ICU threatens the TFG on it own home turf and so far because of this Somalia is at the brink of civil war; the only ally that so far promised to walk the walk when push comes to shove is Ethiopia...Now!
Ethiopia has three basic alternatives for dealing with the crisis:
1. Full-scale intervention to defeat the radical Islamists; Ethiopian troops try to enter Mogadishu and help the TFG establish itself there.
2. Limited intervention to stabilize the situation and isolate the radical Islamists, followed by negotiations to include moderate Islamists in the Transitional Federal Government. UN-sanctioned peacekeepers could then be brought in. Ethiopian troops would not try to enter Mogadishu.
3. Negotiation only; No intervention: Unilateral withdrawal of existing Ethiopian forces; imposition of a tighter arms embargo, and diplomatic initiatives to promote negotiation between the TFG and the UIC. If negotiations fail to resolve the crisis, Ethiopia could follow a containment policy and (A) wait for the UIC to implode due to internal clan, economic, and religious divisions, or (B) defend itself within Ethiopia against an expected radical Islamist jihad to recover "western Somalia" and against additional foreign-sponsored subversive activities
The first alternative would be a disaster and must be avoided. The last alternative, (negotiation and defensive containment along the Ethio-Somali border) would be reasonable under normal circumstances when dealing with a sovereign state. But giving the radical Islamists and their foreign allies a free hand in stateless Somalia is an abdication of responsibility. The end result could be far more costly to Ethiopia (and Somalia) in the long run.
But this is the alternative recommended by the experts of the International Crisis Group (ICG), and many, (if not most) knowledgeable western observers.
...But the ICG's recommendation for negotiation without intervention has no chance of success...I mean what do they care if Somalia ceases to exist since their safe and sound from any harm. Only a relatively small number of western tourists are at risk, and few western economic interests are at stake. However, were Somalia located on the border of the United States or any of the European countries, the same experts would not hesitate to recommend decisive intervention. But Ethiopia does share a long border and history with Somalia, and its vital interests are at stake.
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Eyes, you may or may not know this, but the president himself spent 6 years of prison time under Ethiopian. So let me assure you a full blown Ethiopian occupation is out of the question since he hates them more than you do.
...Trust me C/laahi Yusuf wants to get to Xamar and if Ethiopia is willing to help him get there so be it...Its all politics, he's using them to get to his Capital.
After all, the ICU are getting too comfy there with their flow of weapons arriving via Eritrea, and funds pouring in from both non-state and state sponsors...I mean if they can play it like that so can C/laahi and so far his winning
...Trust me C/laahi Yusuf wants to get to Xamar and if Ethiopia is willing to help him get there so be it...Its all politics, he's using them to get to his Capital.
After all, the ICU are getting too comfy there with their flow of weapons arriving via Eritrea, and funds pouring in from both non-state and state sponsors...I mean if they can play it like that so can C/laahi and so far his winning

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There is nothing political there.
It is kufr, cowardice and dabadhilifnimo. All the traits of munafiqeen.
You can pose as a logical, which you are not and give all the excuses you want.
If the UIC loose, Ethiopia wins. Simple as that.
The TFG is more theory than practical. And every somali knows that.
NO ONE WILL GIVE CREDIT TO GEEDI OR ABDULLAHI YUSUF.
all power and credit will go to menes zenawi.
It is kufr, cowardice and dabadhilifnimo. All the traits of munafiqeen.
You can pose as a logical, which you are not and give all the excuses you want.
If the UIC loose, Ethiopia wins. Simple as that.
The TFG is more theory than practical. And every somali knows that.
NO ONE WILL GIVE CREDIT TO GEEDI OR ABDULLAHI YUSUF.
all power and credit will go to menes zenawi.
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[quote="THE ELEMENT"]Eyes, you may or may not know this, but the president himself spent 6 years of prison time under Ethiopian. So let me assure you a full blown Ethiopian occupation is out of the question since he hates them more than you do.
...Trust me C/laahi Yusuf wants to get to Xamar and if Ethiopia is willing to help him get there so be it...Its all politics, he's using them to get to his Capital.
After all, the ICU are getting too comfy there with their flow of weapons arriving via Eritrea, and funds pouring in from both non-state and state sponsors...I mean if they can play it like that so can C/laahi and so far his winning
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he is using them kulahaa
and dont you know that ali geedi got more to say than afbijo. thats why they tried to kill your adeer
...Trust me C/laahi Yusuf wants to get to Xamar and if Ethiopia is willing to help him get there so be it...Its all politics, he's using them to get to his Capital.
After all, the ICU are getting too comfy there with their flow of weapons arriving via Eritrea, and funds pouring in from both non-state and state sponsors...I mean if they can play it like that so can C/laahi and so far his winning

he is using them kulahaa

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Element, I knew that. I also know the reason he was imprisoned and the conditions of his release. He works for Ethiopia, he is a traitor and a warlord. People were willing to ignore his past when he was first elected (hoping that he had changed) but he made it known to everyone that people donÂ’t changeÂ….he will always be the traitor he was.
Xamar is not his capital. The Ethiopian puppet/the traitor will never be Somali president and will not set foot in Xamar. He will be the only so called president in Somali history who didnÂ’t even set foot in the capital.
Xamar is not his capital. The Ethiopian puppet/the traitor will never be Somali president and will not set foot in Xamar. He will be the only so called president in Somali history who didnÂ’t even set foot in the capital.
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[quote="eyes-only"]Element, I knew that. I also know the reason he was imprisoned and the conditions of his release. He works for Ethiopia, he is a traitor and a warlord. People were willing to ignore his past when he was first elected (hoping that he had changed) but he made it known to everyone that people donÂ’t changeÂ….he will always be the traitor he was.
Xamar is not his capital. The Ethiopian puppet/the traitor will never be Somali president and will not set foot in Xamar. He will be the only so called president in Somali history who didnÂ’t even set foot in the capital.[/quote]
he is in serious contention for the title of worst president ever. even that of abdiqasim was better
Xamar is not his capital. The Ethiopian puppet/the traitor will never be Somali president and will not set foot in Xamar. He will be the only so called president in Somali history who didnÂ’t even set foot in the capital.[/quote]
he is in serious contention for the title of worst president ever. even that of abdiqasim was better
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Lacageylacag, believe me every one will give credit to C/laahi Yusuf and his government other than the “Cayr” subclan of the so-call Sheikh Aweys and Co. that has moved in from areas north of Mogadishu after the fall of the previous regime and that forcibly exploiting the indigenous Bantu and Rahanweyn populations that settle in the triangle area from Baidoa to Mogadishu to Kismayo.
...And for you info the indigenous Bantu and Rahanweyn populatons are likely to be at least neutral or positive toward the TFG. But it is obvious who are the people that are likely to be hostile to the idea of Ethiopian intervention...ee ninyahow...speak for youself.
...And for you info the indigenous Bantu and Rahanweyn populatons are likely to be at least neutral or positive toward the TFG. But it is obvious who are the people that are likely to be hostile to the idea of Ethiopian intervention...ee ninyahow...speak for youself.
Element
The Raxanweyn are fighting the TFG in Bay. Their leaders have all but left Baidoa, they have spoken out against the puppets and the Ethiopian invasion.
The Bantus are represented in the UIC. They have welcomed the UIC. Under the UIC they are not 0.5. The TFG hasnÂ’t done anything for the minorities. The UIC have provided them with aid. The UIC have provided them with peace. The UIC have provided them with equality. The minorities support the UIC so cut the crap.
No one is falling for your anti-ceyr rhetoric.
The Raxanweyn are fighting the TFG in Bay. Their leaders have all but left Baidoa, they have spoken out against the puppets and the Ethiopian invasion.
The Bantus are represented in the UIC. They have welcomed the UIC. Under the UIC they are not 0.5. The TFG hasnÂ’t done anything for the minorities. The UIC have provided them with aid. The UIC have provided them with peace. The UIC have provided them with equality. The minorities support the UIC so cut the crap.
No one is falling for your anti-ceyr rhetoric.
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Talking about Cayr is very simple minded.
your hate for hawiyah is so much, you hate every kheyr and shar they bring.
If Cayr comes with khayr( like ICU and shareeca, we support them).
If A/y comes with filthy secular and dabadhilifnimo, we reject it.
My way is clear, I want shareeca law in somalia.
If it comes through cayr, alxamdullillah.
The qabqablayaal have been talking of nothing but qabiil and it led them to lose and humiliation. I wish the TFG even worse for bringing amxaaro and secularism.
your hate for hawiyah is so much, you hate every kheyr and shar they bring.
If Cayr comes with khayr( like ICU and shareeca, we support them).
If A/y comes with filthy secular and dabadhilifnimo, we reject it.
My way is clear, I want shareeca law in somalia.
If it comes through cayr, alxamdullillah.
The qabqablayaal have been talking of nothing but qabiil and it led them to lose and humiliation. I wish the TFG even worse for bringing amxaaro and secularism.
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“Xamar is not his capital...He will be the only so called president in Somali history who didn’t even set foot in the capital.”
Eyes, if this is how you feel about the president than I rest my case...Just donÂ’t let me see you complaining when that eviction notice turns up.
Btw...“Doqon usha agteeda ayaa lagu dhuftaa, hadday garan weydana korkeeda”...it is only 700 dead ICU now, but I don’t even wana imagine what will happen to your precious ICU when all fronts are opened as planned.
Eyes, if this is how you feel about the president than I rest my case...Just donÂ’t let me see you complaining when that eviction notice turns up.
Btw...“Doqon usha agteeda ayaa lagu dhuftaa, hadday garan weydana korkeeda”...it is only 700 dead ICU now, but I don’t even wana imagine what will happen to your precious ICU when all fronts are opened as planned.
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