This is Not Jihad.

B-MAX · Post by **B-MAX** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:01 am

I'm not supporting TFG.

Their war with Ethiopia is absolutely not a Jihad.
The Waddads are out of Control now. They started fine,but they turned out to be power hungry megalomaniac.

Demure · Post by **Demure** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:07 am

Were you supporting TFG before?

michael_ital · Post by **michael_ital** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:07 am

What SHOULD the ICU have done ?

SupEr_LaDy · Post by **SupEr_LaDy** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:09 am

THIS IS A JIHAD AGAINST XABASHI AND THEIR B.ITCHES.

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:13 am

[quote="michael_ital"]What SHOULD the ICU have done ?[/quote]

Should have stayed in Mogadishu..

Negotiated with the TFgG

And acted as peace keepers/makers..instead of warmongers.

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:22 am

Remember...

They are the ones who declared Jihad on a neighboring country

They are the ones who attacked peacefull cities for the sole purpose of (I frankly cant understand)

And they are the ones who fired the first shot in this fight..

muslim-man · Post by **muslim-man** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:31 am

To anyone who thinks this is not Jihad: What is Jihad & When Is It Compulsory?

Jihad in self-defence:

If the kuffaar attack and occupy a Muslim country, or they prepare to attack the Muslims, then it is obligatory for the Muslims to fight them so as to ward off their evil and foil their plots. Jihad in self-defence is fard Â‘ayn (an individual obligation) upon the Muslims, according to scholarly consensus.

Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer (8/15):

When jihad becomes inevitable because the enemy has overrun one of the (Muslim) regions, then it becomes obligatory for all the people of that region to mobilize and to go out to fight, whether they are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), each according to his abilities, with or without the permission of his parents. No one who is able to go out, warrior or helper, should stay behind. If the people of that country are unable to fight their enemy, then those in nearby and neighbouring countries have to go out to fight, in whatever numbers are required to show support, so that they will know that they have the strength to stand up to them and ward them off. Similarly everyone who knows of their weakness in the face of their enemies and knows that he can go and help them must also go out and fight. All of the Muslims should be united against their enemies. If the people of the area where the enemy has invaded and occupied fight off the enemy themselves, then the others are relieved of that duty. If the enemy approaches the Muslim lands but does not enter, the Muslims must still go out to confront them so that the religion of Allaah will prevail and in order to protect the Muslim homeland and humiliate the enemy. There is no scholarly dispute on this point.

Shaykh al-Islam (28/358-359) said:

If the enemy wants to attack the Muslims then resisting becomes obligatory on all those who are under threat, and those who are not under threat are obliged to help them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Â“but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual allianceÂ”

[al-Anfaal 8:72]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also commanded us to help other Muslims. This is obligatory upon each person as much as possible, by fighting himself or by giving financial support, as was the case at the time of al-Khandaq, when Allaah did not grant any concession to anyone not to fight. Rather the QurÂ’aan condemns those who asked the Prophet for permission [not to fight] on the grounds that their houses were vulnerable when that was not the case, rather they just wanted to flee the battle. This fighting is in order to protect the relihion, and protect lives and honour, and this is absolutely essential.

This is the ruling on physical jihad in Islam, whether that is taking the initiative to call the kuffaar to enter this religion and subjugate them to the rule of Islam, or jihad to defend the religion and honour of the Muslims.

We ask Allaah to bring the Muslims back to their religion.

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=3 ... &txt=Jihad

Also, Allah says in the Qur'an:

"O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors." [Qur'an 5:51]

Seeking the aid of a kaafir to fight a Muslim is one of the things that lead to apostasy (murtadnimo) based on the above mentioned verse of the Qur'an!

SupEr_LaDy · Post by **SupEr_LaDy** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:32 am

May Allah destory Ethiopia and its allies, aameen! Ilaahow jabi daba dhilifka amxaarada, aamiin!

I been confirmed that a relative of mine died in yesterday battle. Crying or Very sad

Demure · Post by **Demure** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:34 am

Super Lady, Sorry to hear that. Allaha u naxariisto.

SupEr_LaDy · Post by **SupEr_LaDy** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:40 am

I dont get why this fvcker think this is not jihad when gaalo are bombing our beloved home? Their using somalis to kill others somalis.They must have forgotten that Allah is on our side who can give us victory as we stay on the course of Jihaad.

Allahu Akbar

Demure Allah u naxariisto. Crying or Very sad

musika man · Post by **musika man** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:46 am

not one single arab, muslim country, non-somali sheikh or non hutu muslim organsitaion, even hamas or hizboallah have condemned ethiopia's action, only their alqaeda friends and illiterate somalis and hutus think this is jihad. says much about the hutu courts and their insult towards islam and the concept of jihad.

you declared jihad first dont cry for me, this is allah's miracle on the destruction of indhocadde and dajal aweis.

allaahu akbar.

biko · Post by **biko** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:33 am

i said before and i'll say it agin.

i suport the ICU to fight ethiopia till they leave somalia, but i just dont see it as a jihad.

but if self-defence is jihad for you then jihad it is.

highclass · Post by **highclass** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:28 am

B-MAX

Whats your prove? The Quran and Hadith posted by muslim-man roves you wrong. Do not make up things about Islam its a big sin.

B-MAX · Post by **B-MAX** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:07 pm

BIG-MAX NEVER SUPPORTED TFG.

Cawar and biko nailed down what I wanted to say.

{Cawar:
Should have stayed in Mogadishu..
Negotiated with the TFgG
And acted as peace keepers/makers..instead of warmongers.}

{biko:
i suport the ICU to fight ethiopia till they leave somalia, but i just dont see it as a jihad.}

muslim-man

It was not long time ago when SSDF was waging a Jihad against Somali Army.
Same goes for SNM-Isaaq,USC-Hawiye.
Even today in Badoa,according to the TFG, they are fighting a holy war!

Salahuddiin · Post by **Salahuddiin** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:56 pm

There could be some different opinions about offensive jihad but this case is so clear. Kuffar attacked muslim country so they can suffocate the growth of Islam and support secularism.

If this is not jihad then what is?