even the african union suport ethiopia

[biko]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6209325.stm



there is only 1 way and thats gorilla warfare.

a 500 year war is about to begin.

may the Tits Federal Government burn in hell.

[fagash_killer]

nothing new their oday ummad baa la noqdaa amase adduunka waa laga tagaa. A real Somali who has the interest of Somalia at heart has no friend at all. No arabs and africans. Let them back them ever with forces. Bring it all. Yes, biko, you said it for me. Somalia is the best christmas present that the amxaar are getting. Have ever noticed that Somalia has always been at crossroads around christmas time since the beginning of the civil war.

[Niya]

It is in the AU charter that no country or entity is allowed to overthrow a legally regonised country etc. (I am paraphrasing here)

...............don't shoot the messenger Biko, you seem trigger happy these days

[biko]

AU charter?

i forgot that they respect AU charter so much that they always wait for america to tell them when to jump.

tanag u abaayo for that crucial information .

[Grant]

Not the Arab League, not even Hezbollah, has shown support.

The IGAD plan has, for months, been to Isolate and embargo. Hamas.

This is from the end of November, but it looks to me like full steam ahead.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-11- ... N=69115092

US Defends Somalia Peacekeeping Plan
By David Gollust
Washington
30 November 2006



The United States said Wednesday it is backing an East African peacekeeping force for Somalia to help stabilize the country, rather than fuel ongoing warfare. A U.S.-backed draft resolution in the U.N. Security Council that would clear the way for the force is expected to come up for action within the next few days. VOA's David Gollust reports from the State Department.

The Bush administration is defending its support for the East African force, amid charges its arrival would only worsen on-going Somali violence and perhaps lead to regional warfare.

A U.S.-sponsored draft Security Council resolution, backed by the other permanent council member countries including Russia and China, would ease the international arms embargo against Somalia in place since 1992 to allow deployment of a regional force that would shore up the country's beleaguered transitional government.

Based in the western Somali town of Baidoa, the Transitional Federal Institutions or TFI has international support.

But it is under military siege by the country's powerful Islamic movement, the Council of Islamic Courts, which controls the capital Mogadishu and says it aims to seize the entire country and perhaps even ethnic-Somali areas of neighboring states.

The proposed African force, to be set up by the East African regional intergovernmental grouping IGAD, would seek to stabilize the situation by providing force training and protection for the interim government, though not undertaking offensive action against the Islamic Courts.


Jendayi Frazer (file)
At a briefing for reporters, Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer said the United States is supporting only a narrow change in the arms embargo to allow deployment of the IGAD troops, but not fuel a wider conflict.

She said flatly that the forces of the transitional government need to be trained and reinforced so that it can be what she termed a credible negotiating partner with the Islamic Courts, which she said currently sees no reason to sit down and negotiate a settlement.

"We feel that this force is also important to achieve our broader Somalia objective, which includes most importantly creating a space for the dialogue to occur between the Transitional Federal government and the Union of Islamic courts. And in particular it's our view that as long as the Union of Islamic Courts continues to believe that it can have a military victory, there will not be an engagement and serious dialogue. So you have to have some parity between two sides of the dialogue," she said.

Frazer said the envisaged 8,000-member force would be made up of troops from the seven-country IGAD grouping and not Somalia's neighbors, including Ethiopia which is reported to have sent in troops to support the transitional government, and rival Eritrea which is helping the Islamists.

She said that contrary to claims that the IGAD force would broaden the conflict into a regional war, its deployment would actually create conditions for Ethiopia and Eritrea to disengage, while deterring further aggression against the TFI.

At this point, only Uganda among IGAD members has said it is ready to commit troops to the force, whose deployment is vehemently opposed by the by the Islamic Courts.

The Islamic Courts movement routed a group of U.S.-backed Somali warlords early this year and seized Mogadishu in June, later capturing most of southern and central Somalia and imposing strict religious law.

In her talk with reporters, Assistant Secretary Frazer said al-Qaida terrorists were operating with what she termed great comfort in areas controlled by the Islamic Courts and providing training and assistance to a group of radicals loyal to the Somali movement.

She said the United States has been in contact with all elements in Somalia including the Islamic Courts, which has publicly disavowed terrorism, to try to prevent the country from becoming an al-Qaida safe-haven.

Frazer said of particular concern to U.S. officials are three al-Qaida militants wanted in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a coastal hotel in Kenya in 2002.

[gurey25]

interferance will prolong the problem, and development.

Why cant they let us slaughter each other in Peace, like they left the Congo alone.

Every foreign intervention simply gaurentees that the problems will continue to ferment.

[musika man]

[quote="biko"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6209325.stm



there is only 1 way and thats gorilla warfare.

a 500 year war is about to begin.

may the Tits Federal Government burn in hell.[/quote]

biko

somaliland has good relations and many trade deals with ethiopia. in somaliland they arrest hutu court sympathisers. why do you think your somaliland will be safe from guerilla wars by the hutu courts? never wish something on others which you dont want on your own people. use your head not your emotions like a pregnant lady.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Biko
Somalia is one of the poorest countries in the world. It has one of the highest infant mortality rates. It has one of the shortest life expectancy rates. The Somalis have lived with untold suffering for more than 15 years. A whole generation has been ruined. And for what? And now you are advocating more warfare, more misery, more destitution? For what? A piece of desert? Come on man. The jig is up. It's time to move on and close the irredentist and extremist chapters. How many generations are you willing to sacrifice in order to gain the Ogaden?

The African Union sees what you do not. That ceding ground and changing borders in order to satisfy violent movements ensourages more violent movements. There are over 1,000 ethnic groups in Africa. Are we going to divide the place up into a bunch of non-sustainable statelets to satisfy every ethnic ambition? Africa has suffered enough without your thought process making it worse.

[biko]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Biko
Somalia is one of the poorest countries in the world. It has one of the highest infant mortality rates. It has one of the shortest life expectancy rates. The Somalis have lived with untold suffering for more than 15 years. A whole generation has been ruined. And for what? And now you are advocating more warfare, more misery, more destitution? For what? A piece of desert? Come on man. The jig is up. It's time to move on and close the irredentist and extremist chapters. How many generations are you willing to sacrifice in order to gain the Ogaden?

The African Union sees what you do not. That ceding ground and changing borders in order to satisfy violent movements ensourages more violent movements. There are over 1,000 ethnic groups in Africa. Are we going to divide the place up into a bunch of non-sustainable statelets to satisfy every ethnic ambition? Africa has suffered enough without your thought process making it worse.[/quote]
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mad no matter what you say i will never accept the presence of lice infested ethiopian on a somali soil and i aint alone on this. you can talk about the suffering of africans, but nothing in my eyes justifies the current situation.

am not saying that the islamic court are whiter than white, but one thing that you should at least give it to them is that they brough some peace in a place where no one could.

so in a nut shell, i rather see somali in a termoil for the next 1000 years than to accept cinjiirle and their tanks in somalia.

[Salahuddiin]

What is AU and when did someone started taking that incompetent group of bums seriously? Let them say whatever they like. It's like a barking of a dog.

[dhuusa_deer]

They reversed their position again, now they call for unqualified Ethiopian withdrawal.

[michael_ital]

[quote="biko"]


mad no matter what you say i will never accept the presence of lice infested ethiopian on a somali soil and i aint alone on this. you can talk about the suffering of africans, but nothing in my eyes justifies the current situation.

am not saying that the islamic court are whiter than white, but one thing that you should at least give it to them is that they brough some peace in a place where no one could.

so in a nut shell, i rather see somali in a termoil for the next 1000 years than to accept cinjiirle and their tanks in somalia.[/quote]


Perhaps it's not for me to opine, but in principle I agree with you Bik on this.


DD, do you have a link?

[biko]

mich

you agree because its comon sense. no one in their right mind would want foreign troops in their country killing their citizen.

mad mac can talk about suffering of african all he wants but, this is the man whos country droped two nuks on japan. the same people that bombed iraq back to the stone age.

so no surprised there.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

[quote="biko"]

mad no matter what you say i will never accept the presence of lice infested ethiopian on a somali soil and i aint alone on this. you can talk about the suffering of africans, but nothing in my eyes justifies the current situation.

am not saying that the islamic court are whiter than white, but one thing that you should at least give it to them is that they brough some peace in a place where no one could.

so in a nut shell, i rather see somali in a termoil for the next 1000 years than to accept cinjiirle and their tanks in somalia.

[/quote]


Beek,

You are a genuine Somali walaahi. I would rather see Somalis slaughtering themselves in drones for the next 200000 years rather than one night of Tigre spilling Somali blood

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Beek
I fail to see a connection between Somalia and Nagasaki.

You know, and I know, that if the war goes on, it is the average Somali who is going to suffer, and no one else.