Second phase of the war underway

TZ Somali · Post by **TZ Somali** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:17 am

by now we are all aware the advance of so called tfg and its conglomerate of warlords to Mogadishu. The disintegration of ICU as force is strategical move that will result by in a bloodbath, by handing the its weapons and dispersing its loyal men to their respective clans thus will ensure a prolonged guerrilla warfare in the capital... and my fear is thousand of innocent lives will lay to waste. Ethiopian and its tfg political prostitute might have won in the short term, there reality the warfare that will great them in Mogadishu will be easy capturing jowhar, but will make Baghdad look like a child play.

Ugaas Diini · Post by **Ugaas Diini** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:25 am

[quote]my fear is thousand of innocent lives will lay to waste. [/quote]

Abdullahi Yusuf did say hawiyuhu bada ayuu ku dari. I guess he was not bluffing as he usually does. The question is, are any daroods and rahanwayns willing to go down with the hawiye?

TZ Somali · Post by **TZ Somali** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:33 am

The dream of a peaceful Somalia under the leadership of A/Y and its allies will dissolve and we will be back on square one. You tribal politics no one is an absolute friend and every one is a loyal to the interest of her or his tribe. As soon A/Y is done with hawiye let assume although its difficult thing for me to envisage,..Darrod will be back fight each other..that has been the norm in Somalia saga..today u r best friend is tomorrow worse enemy. we are back at pre 91 war..how wonderful is that?

Ugaas Diini · Post by **Ugaas Diini** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:39 am

It is not wonderful saaxib but it is the reality on the ground. There is not a group of peope more divided than the somalis today.

TZ Somali · Post by **TZ Somali** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:11 am

And with the current state of political matter, im sure your assertion will remain true for years to come

musika man · Post by **musika man** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 am

the oppression of indhcadde and aweis are over. hutu-courts are finished after they lied to children and died for them in their jihad propoganda. they with their terrorist fuleey friends are in ras-kamboone. someone is right now planning to land there and capture them if they dont bomb them. what second phase? or you are one of those ogaden terrorists in mourning?

Somaliweyn · Post by **Somaliweyn** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:17 am

TZ Somali,

SOmali politics will remain as it is now till a New Somaliman steps on the political scene.

''You tribal politics no one is an absolute friend and every one is a loyal to the interest of her or his tribe.''

Your analysis is so far true, but if that is the reality of Somali politics isn't it better for every clan to start doing someting for themselves without intervering with other clan's business? Only when we live peacefully with each other can we trust each other again, so the boundaries of every clans are clear and every clan should do the best it can for their clan's interest without crossing the RED LINE, that is endangering Somali General Interest and Security. Like for example calling the aid of our arch-enemy Ethiopia.

As Somalis, Ethiopia was for centuries our enemy and still is and will be in the future. So inviting Ethiopia to aid you with silly clan affaires at the expense of the General Interest of Somalis is someting every Somali clan should never consider as an option.

If they do, there should be punishment on that particular clan or group within clan...like isolation from the rest of Somali society.

This bottom-up approach is the only viable option than the usual top-down approach of inviting political opportunists and warlords to a foreign country in order to represent their respective clans and then form a government which supposedly should represent all Somalis while Somalis are divided along clan borders etc.

TZ Somali · Post by **TZ Somali** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:19 pm

Sahib we are back to square one, the state of nature now is not conducive to any peace and stability, and the Ethiopia involvement in the current although has help the TFG to expand its territory; in reality it has also help diminish the any political influence and suppport it thus far had. Kiss goodbye TFG..

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:08 am

TZ
What would you rather have, another 15 years o conflict in Somalia, or a successful secular government?

TZ Somali · Post by **TZ Somali** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:09 am

of course a secular goverment but not an Ethiopia or American puppet

biko · Post by **biko** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:44 am

[quote="MAD MAC"]TZ
What would you rather have, another 15 years o conflict in Somalia, or a successful secular government?[/quote]
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1000 years of conflict over american imposed hypocricy!

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:04 am

[quote="Somaliweyn"]TZ Somali,

This bottom-up approach is the only viable option than the usual top-down approach of inviting political opportunists and warlords to a foreign country in order to represent their respective clans and then form a government which supposedly should represent all Somalis while Somalis are divided along clan borders etc.[/quote]

Somebody should be calling for a Shir Weyn.

Somaliweyn · Post by **Somaliweyn** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:04 pm

The question is not wheter Somalia should have a secular government or an Islamic one.

The question should be should Somalia have a government which draws its legitimacy from the people and thus represents the people or a government that is created in a foreign country by foreing actors, which supposedly represents Somali people.

Remember this current Tigre puppet government is composed of the same warlords that were responsible for the continuation of the Somali conflict and also is the child of Tigre efforts within the IGAD organization.

An organization by the way which was created in 1996 without the involvement of Somalia since there was no Somali government.

So basically screw IGAD, the Tigre puppet government since neather of them represent the genuine interests of Somali people.

TZ Somali · Post by **TZ Somali** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:33 pm

Somaliweyn and grant i wish not to rephrase both of u r reply, as you have both put simple and pure thus is a government by people for the people.

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:52 pm

TZ
I suppose you regard any Somali government with good diplomatic relations with the US, would be an "American puppet".