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IT SEEMS MODERATE MUSLIMS ARE HYPOCRITE MUSLIMS.

Post by Lacageylacag »

Do you know all muslims who performed hajj last year from UK were added to the terrorist watch list? Saudis provided the list.

How can you be a good muslim and a moderate?

Does performing hajj equal to blowing up people in shopping malls to effect political change?

So who is a moderate muslim if not hypocrites?
Some hypocrites can even perform hajj which puts them in the terror list Laughing Laughing Laughing

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CAIRO — UK spy chiefs are putting on the terror watch list every single British Muslim who travels to the holy city of Makkah to perform hajj or umra to filter out those who might be linked to Al-Qaeda, a leading British newspaper revealed on Sunday, January 21.
"They (the spy chiefs) said that every British Muslim who makes the pilgrimage to Mecca was monitored," a well-placed security official told The Times.

The internal and external intelligence services, MI5 and MI6 respectively, are tracking up to 100,000 trips made to the holy lands, he added.

The intelligence operation is thought to have been launched after the 2005 attacks, according to the paper.

MI5 officials have said that at least two of the suicide bombers who carried out the terrorist attacks had visited Makkah.

Every able-bodied adult Muslim — who can financially afford the trip — must perform hajj once in their lifetime.

There are no official estimates of the number of British Muslims who performed hajj this year.

Britain is home to a sizable Muslim minority of nearly 1.8 million.

The minority has been in the eye of the storm since the terrorist attacks on London transport.

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A government official says MI5 Director General Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller cited the "Mecca operation" in talks with the attorney general over UK-Saudi ties.
The intelligence trawl was cited by the the MI5 Director General Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller and MI6 Chief Sir John Scarlett as a strong reason to maintain ties with Saudi Arabia after the latter threatened to break them off over an alleged bribery scandal.

"They made it clear to (Attorney General Lord) Goldsmith that they were concerned about the implications for national security of losing Saudi cooperation," said the security official.

The British Serious Fraud Office dropped last month an investigation into allegations that Britain's main defense contractor BAE Systems established a slush fund for some members of the Saudi royal family to help secure a contract with the country in the 1980s.

The move was prompted by Saudi threats to sever its security and intelligence links with Britain, posing a danger to the national interest.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair said last week that continuing the probe would have had "devastating" consequences for relations between Britain and Saudi Arabia.

Condemned

Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, leader of the non-governmental organization Muslim Parliament, has condemned the so-called "Mecca Operation."

"It is absolutely wrong that people who are going to Mecca for entirely religious purposes should be monitored by the security services," he said.

Security sources told The Independent in July Britain's internal intelligence agency, MI5, and police have been spying on 8,000 people through information gathered from colleges, mosques, internet websites and agents on suspicion of being Al-Qaeda sympathizers and future terrorists.

A report by the government's privacy watchdog said last year that Britain was becoming a "Big Brother" society where the lives of millions were monitored and tracked from cradle to grave.

It said more and more personal data is being collected and stored by both state and commercial organizations.

A 2006 document by the British Education Ministry has recommended lecturers and university staff spy on Muslim students on suspicious involvement in "extremist" activities.


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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

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Because some nimrod puts it in an article doesn't mean it's true. Think about it. A database that is so random as to just include everybody traveling to Hajj is useless. The intelligence services are interested in identifying violent actors and those who support them. They are not interested in tracking anyone who happens to like throwing stones at an imaginary devil.
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[quote="MAD MAC"]Lac
Because some nimrod puts it in an article doesn't mean it's true. Think about it. A database that is so random as to just include everybody traveling to Hajj is useless. The intelligence services are interested in identifying violent actors and those who support them. They are not interested in tracking anyone who happens to like throwing stones at an imaginary devil.[/quote]

I don't think so.
Having that level of faith that makes you spend your time and money to go for Hajj potentially makes you a terrorist.
If he/she can go for hajj, he/she can blow up. He/she must be monitored.
That is the reasoning.
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If anyone is a hypocrite is sure is you Lacag ..
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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

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How many people do you think we can monitor at the same time?

Furthermore, many who are involved in violent acts are not all that religious. Here's a few facts for you:

a. Many are fairly well educated in scientific areas, like engineering.

b. Many have become recently religious, but for most of their lives lived non-descript existences in which religion played almost no role.

c. Many have come to believe that if they die for Islam, all their sins will be forgiven (let's not argue the legitimacy of this concept - merely that many believe it). A frequent last stop before their death ride? Check this out, prostitutes. Preferably white women and preferably blond. Go figure.

Now there are enough people who break this profile, that it doesn't stand alone. But a majority of those involved in militant violence have never been to Hajj.

"Monitoring" the movements of those who went to Hajj would be impracticle and have little value. The key to defeating militant Islam is Muslims themselves policing their own. You can identify extremists in your midst quickest and easiest of all.
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Post by Lacageylacag »

I personally don't believe there are terrorists. It is all fiction.
You just love wars.

For example Sheikh Aweys, Hassan Turki and Hashi Ayro are innocent.
They only wanted sharia law. That is their crime.

September 11 was an inside American job.

Muslims boys in the London underground bombing(7/7) were framed and killed.

Usama bin laden is closer to be CIA employee than guilty of 9/11.
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I'm with Mad Mac here. None of the terrorists who blew themselves after the attacks against the trains in Madrid had performed the hajj.

Some muslim mass media (the most extremists) have the prejudice that here, in The West, we all hate muslims, we all suspect of all muslims and we all want to monitor and control muslims. That's a big lie. Because they think all The West is Satan, they think that The West believes the same thing. They're completly wrong. Or even worse: they want to play the role of victimism.
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"I personally don't believe there are terrorists. It is all fiction.
You just love wars.

For example Sheikh Aweys, Hassan Turki and Hashi Ayro are innocent.
They only wanted sharia law. That is their crime.

September 11 was an inside American job.

Muslims boys in the London underground bombing(7/7) were framed and killed.

Usama bin laden is closer to be CIA employee than guilty of 9/11."

Do you honestly believe this? The trail of Islamic violence is massive.

We'll leave out Israel for a second. We have non-Iraqis fighting the coalition in Iraq and non-Afghanis fighting the coalition in Afghanistan. We have non-Chechyans fighting Russians in Chechnya. We have Muslims fighting and killing in Indonesia, Thailand, Kashmir, the Phillipines. All are doing so in the name of Islam. This last decade Muslims have been engaged in non-state violence in Tanzania, Kenya, the US, Spain, Germany, Great Britain......need I go on?

There most certainly is a collection of militant Islamic movements, and they most certainly do believe that to achieve their goal of re-establishment of the Khalifate and Shari'a rule over all the Ummah, the usage of violence is completely legitimate. This is not some CIA concoction, and you either know that and are playing dumb, or you really are dumb.

Aweys doesn't just want to "implement Shari'a". He wants to kill to see it implemented. If you can't see the difference, I can not help you.
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Post by Lacageylacag »

What if I say I love all spaniards/Americans as long as they practice Islamic sharia?
You only love Abdullahi Yusuf kind of muslims who will struggle to be identified as a muslim in a crowd.

Why not tolerate people like IUC who never committed and would never commit a crime against the west but their only interest was to practice islam in full.

You take more than you give, i tell ya
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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

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I am telling you how things ARE - not how MAC would like them to be. I have no problem with Muslims on a personal level. Indeed, it might surprise you to know I have a fairly large number of Muslims friends.

The US government right now is extremely sensitive to political movements which associate themselves with Islam. Ten years ago this would not have been the case. 40 years ago, we would not have given it a remote thought.

The friction started with Ayatollah Khomenei, who hated the US because the US supported the Shah (We did so, of course, for geopolitical reasons, but Khomeini did not care about that). This planted a seed inside the Islamic community, along with US support for the state of Israel, that the US and it's socio-political system was an inherent enemy of Muslims and Islam. Even you believe this.

Of course, this suspicion goes back to the founding of Islam itself and the conflicts that Mohammed had with Jewish communities in Yathrib. The Crusades (which have stayed fresh in the minds of Muslims) and the advent of colonialization have all added up to the identification of the west, it's values and it's socio-economic traits as intrinsic enemies of Islam and Muslims. Thus every failure of your own societies are blamed not on the failures of your own cultures, and God forbid not on Islam, but on the US and the west. We are the boogeyman. The Secret hand behind all of your ills. This is why you never move forward. Because you are never honest in your own self-evaluation.
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Post by biko »

Lacageylacag

why waist your time with mad mac cos you can never get an straight answer from him.

his moto is deny deny deny. he got the nerve to come in here and tell somalis how to feel about the terror his country is inflicting on innocent reer miyii people in somalia; while at the same time he gloats about the death of those killed by americans.

oops, my bad; i forgot he loves somalis!
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[quote="1nemansquad"]If anyone is a hypocrite is sure is you Lacag ..[/quote]

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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

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I am just telling you how it is and why. You can accept that or not, that's up to you.
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and am only trying to remind you to curb down your disrespectful ways towards us.
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Man, you guys POUND AND INSULT my country and my values every which way but loose, and then you are offended because I am disrespectful? That's rich.
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