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Blaming The Victims

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Not content with intimidating Europe- that ancient bastion of freedom old as Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling- into self censorship, and visiting unbridled violence on its mainland the like of which it hasn't seen since another totalitarian ideology set off on a quest for global hegemony in WW2, Europe's immigrant Muslims have decided to up the ante and as a sign of their infinite gratitude let their host countries' womenfolk in for a bit of Islamic lovin'. Still, says national best-selling author Mark Steyn, that's only half the story: unsurprisingly the other half involves excuse-making liberals forever on hand to give us ... well, excuses.

by Mark Steyn

Last Thursday, in Sydney, the pack leader of a group of Lebanese Muslim gang-rapists was sentenced to 55 years in jail. I suppose I ought to say "Lebanese-Australian" Muslim gang-rapists, since the accused were Australian citizens. But, identity-wise, the rambunctious young lads considered themselves heavy on the Lebanese, light on the Australian. During their gang rapes, the lucky lady would be told she was about to be "f---ed Leb style" and that she deserved it because she was an "Australian pig."

But, inevitably, it's the heavy sentence that's "controversial." After September 11th, Americans were advised to ask themselves, "Why do they hate us?" Now Australians need to ask themselves, "Why do they rape us?" As Monroe Reimers put it on the letters page of The Sydney Morning Herald:

"As terrible as the crime was, we must not confuse justice with revenge. We need answers. Where has this hatred come from? How have we contributed to it? Perhaps it's time to take a good hard look at the racism by exclusion practiced with such a vengeance by our community and cultural institutions."

Indeed. Many's the time, laboring under the burden of some or other ghastly Ottawa policy, I've thought of pinning some gal down and sodomizing her while 14 of my pals look on and await their turn. But I fear in my case the Monroe Reimers of the world would be rather less eager to search for "root causes." Gang rape as a legitimate expression of the campaign for social justice is a privilege reserved only unto a few.

Mr. Reimers, though, will be happy to know his view is echoed across the hemispheres. Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country's rapes were committed by "non-Western" immigrants -- a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim. A professor at the University of Oslo explained that one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands "rape is scarcely punished" because it is generally believed that "it is women who are responsible for rape."

So Muslim immigrants to Norway should be made aware that things are a little different in Scandinavia? Not at all! Rather, the professor insisted, "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it." Or to modify Queen Victoria's wedding-night advice to her daughter: Lie back and think of Yemen.

France? Well, I can't bring you any ethnic rape statistics from the Fifth Republic because the authorities go to great lengths not to keep any. But, even though the phenomenon of immigrant gang rape does not exist, there's already a word for it: the "tournante" -- or "take your turn." Last year, 11 Muslim men were arrested for enjoying a grand old tournante with a 14-year old girl in a cellar.

Denmark? "Three quarters of rapes are carried out by non-Danes," says Peter Skaarup, chairman of the People's Party, a member of the governing coalition.

Well, you get the idea. Whether or not Muslim cultures are more prone to rape is a question we shall explore another day. What's interesting is how easily even this most extreme manifestation of multiculturalism is subsumed within the usual pieties. Norwegian women must learn to be, in a very real sense, less "exclusionary." Lebanese male immigrants, fleeing a war-torn wasteland and finding refuge in a land of peace, freedom and opportunity, are inevitably transformed into gang rapists by Australian racism.

After September 11th, a friend in London said to me she couldn't stand all the America-needs-to-ask-itself stuff because she used to work at a rape crisis centre and she'd heard this blame-the-victim routine a thousand times before. America was asking for it: like those Norwegian women, it was being "provocative." My friend thought the multiculti apologists were treating America as a metaphorical rape victim. But, even so, it comes as a surprise to realize they do exactly the same to actual rape victims. After the O.J. verdict, it was noted by some feminists that "race trumped gender." What we've seen since September 11th is that multiculturalism trumps everything. Its grip on the imagination of the Western elites is unshakeable. Even President Bush, in the month after September 11th, felt obliged to line up a series of photo-ops so he could declare that "Islam is peace" while surrounded by representatives of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an organization which objected, on the grounds of "ethnic and religious stereotyping," to the prosecution of two men in Chicago for the "honour killing" of their female cousin.

On this "Islam is peace" business, Bassam Tibi, a Muslim professor at Goettingen University in Germany, gave a helpful speech a few months back: "Both sides should acknowledge candidly that although they might use identical terms these mean different things to each of them," he said. "The word 'peace,' for example, implies to a Muslim the extension of the Dar al-Islam -- or 'House of Islam' -- to the entire world. This is completely different from the Enlightenment concept of eternal peace that dominates Western thought." Only when the entire world is a Dar al-Islam will it be a Dar a-Salam, or "House of Peace."

On the face of it, that sounds ridiculous. The "Muslim world" -- the arc stretching from North Africa through South Asia -- is economically, militarily, scientifically and artistically irrelevant. But, looked at through the prism of Norwegian rape or French crime, the idea of a Dar al-Islam doesn't sound so ridiculous. The "code of silence" that surrounds rape in tightly knit Muslim families is, so to speak, amplified by the broader "code of silence" surrounding multicultural issues in the West. If all cultures are of equal value, how do you point out any defects?

As I understand it, the benefits of multiculturalism are that the sterile white-bread cultures of Australia, Canada and Britain get some great ethnic restaurants and a Commonwealth Games opening ceremony that lasts until two in the morning. But, in the case of those Muslim ghettoes in Sydney, in Oslo, in Paris, in Copenhagen and in Manchester, multiculturalism means that the worst attributes of Muslim culture -- the subjugation of women -- combine with the worst attributes of Western culture -- licence and self-gratification. Tattoed, pierced Pakistani skinhead gangs swaggering down the streets of Northern England are as much a product of multiculturalism as the turban-wearing Sikh Mountie in the vice-regal escort at Rideau Hall. Yet even in the face of the crudest assaults on its most cherished causes -- women's rights, gay rights -- the political class turns squeamishly away.

Once upon a time we knew what to do. A British district officer, coming upon a scene of suttee, was told by the locals that in Hindu culture it was the custom to cremate a widow on her husband's funeral pyre. He replied that in British culture it was the custom to hang chaps who did that sort of thing. There are many great things about India -- curry, pyjamas, sitars, software engineers -- but suttee was not one of them. What a pity we're no longer capable of being "judgmental" and "discriminating." We're told the old-school imperialists were racists, that they thought of the wogs as inferior. But, if so, they at least considered them capable of improvement. The multiculturalists are just as racist. The only difference is that they think the wogs can never reform: Good heavens, you can't expect a Muslim in Norway not to go about raping the womenfolk! Much better just to get used to it.

As one is always obliged to explain when tiptoeing around this territory, I'm not a racist, only a culturist. I believe Western culture -- rule of law, universal suffrage, etc. -- is preferable to Arab culture: that's why there are millions of Muslims in Scandinavia, and four Scandinavians in Syria. Follow the traffic. I support immigration, but with assimilation. Without it, like a Hindu widow, we're slowly climbing on the funeral pyre of our lost empires. You see it in European foreign policy already: they're scared of their mysterious, swelling, unstoppable Muslim populations.

Islam For All reported the other day that, at present demographic rates, in 20 years' time the majority of Holland's children (the population under 18) will be Muslim. It will be the first Islamic country in western Europe since the loss of Spain. Europe is the colony now.

Or as Charles Johnson, whose excellent "Little Green Footballs" Web site turns up dozens of fascinating Islamic tidbits every day, suggested: "Maybe we should start a betting pool: Which European country will be the first to institute shari'a?"
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"Once upon a time we knew what to do. A British district officer, coming upon a scene of suttee, was told by the locals that in Hindu culture it was the custom to cremate a widow on her husband's funeral pyre. He replied that in British culture it was the custom to hang chaps who did that sort of thing. There are many great things about India -- curry, pyjamas, sitars, software engineers -- but suttee was not one of them. What a pity we're no longer capable of being "judgmental" and "discriminating." We're told the old-school imperialists were racists, that they thought of the wogs as inferior. But, if so, they at least considered them capable of improvement. The multiculturalists are just as racist. The only difference is that they think the wogs can never reform: Good heavens, you can't expect a Muslim in Norway not to go about raping the womenfolk! Much better just to get used to it."

Iyaa! this Mark Steyn imbecile is a funny propagandist. Particularly amusing I thought was, "After September 11th, Americans were advised to ask themselves, "Why do they hate us?" Now Australians need to ask themselves, "Why do they rape us?"

Bullshit! Walle sheeko culus baa latimid.
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Say what you will. Steyn may be an "imbecile", but he's a national New York Times' best-selling "imbecile". Which means his clarion call to stave Islam's strangle hold on western society has struck a chord with the sentiments of mainstream America.
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U know who else is a best seller?

Bil O'Reilly...Ann Coulter...It doesn't take much to become a best seller today...Thanks to talented marketers and declining IQ in western countries, more people are willing to cough up their hard earned monies for what they think is a good book, movie, gadget, toys, etc, etc...

So saying Mark Steyn is a best seller doesn't make his book a good one or his arguments valid...
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Lion-Heart-112, I quite agree. Ann Coulter is an embarrassment. O'Reilly's a degree better.

Steyn's argument however is quite sound, unless you can pick holes in his statistics or think Islamic fundamentalism is a wonderful thing.
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What has their religion got to do with anything? How many non Muslim rapists are characterized as "Christian/Jewish/Episcopalia/Mormon/Jehover Witness, etc rapists?
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"What has their religion got to do with anything? "

An awful lot Michael dearest, if one assigns responsibility for the epic proportions of rape committed by Muslims on the part of their victims. Perhaps none captured the mindset of Muslim rape gangs than the Austrailian imam who proclaimed: "if you take out uncovered meat and place it outside... and the cats come and devour it... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?"

See the Video I dedicated to the good imam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCXSzMRZJq8
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"if you take out uncovered meat and place it outside... and the cats come and devour it... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?"

Iyaa! if the imam's gonna say something like that, why so publically and under the full glare of the media?

Poetess walaal you sexy gaal, interesting vid. Watched some of the others too. You will, I trust, forgive me but you look mighty fine with niqab. Come hither dee macaan and let me slap your caressable breasts with a duunka WEYN!

Waawareey!
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Pit = Poetess = C B T = ???
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Mike,

Identity aside, I do believe the article holds water:

"Mr. Reimers, though, will be happy to know his view is echoed across the hemispheres. Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country's rapes were committed by "non-Western" immigrants -- a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim. A professor at the University of Oslo explained that one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands "rape is scarcely punished" because it is generally believed that "it is women who are responsible for rape."

This view is institutionalized in Shariica and current Pakistani law, and elsewhere in "honor" killings, etc.

Look at the response the woman's conviction for rape in Norway got. The very idea that a woman can be responsible for rape is just a little bit strange in the West, and you must admit those circumstances were not "normal".

Rape is one of several areas where Islam and the West just do not agree. And ignoring the difference is not ultimately helpful.
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Grant

I don't. And with GREAT trepidation do I view the statistics put forth by the Nords. Why is it in only that God forsaken country the numbers stand out so drastically ? If rape is so fundamental to Muslims, as you allege, why are they almost unheard of here in Canada, and in Toronto specifically? I allege that the "rape stats" in Norway are those of UNconvicted rapists, rapes which I believe are reported fraudulently by Nord skanks too afraid to fess' up the truth, therefore they blame it on the convenient scapegoat, the Muslim immigrant. In fact, it's much the same phenomonon as the one rampant in the US, where there's doubt as to the perp of a felony, the alleged vic blames it on a black male. Convenient.

BTW, you'll (and the "learned Prof of Oslo") have to provide factual basis for the allegation "one reason for the disproportionate Muslim share of the rape market was that in their native lands "rape is scarcely punished" because it is generally believed that "it is women who are responsible for rape." NOT innuendo put forth by some head up his ass pseudo Prof from Norway.
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Mike,

Rape statistics aren't likely to be very accurate anywhere in the world, but I would be more likely to believe, or at least understand, those from Norway than say some from Pakistan, Egypt or Morrocco. The differences in definitions and expectations are just too great to compare.

I was not thinking so much of statistics as legal systems and presumption of guilt. Look at the rape law in Pakistan for crying out loud. If a woman doesn't have four witnesses to back her, then she is the quilty party. Shocked
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Again, in regards to Norway, I FIRMLY believe that it is white women guilty of premarital sex and unwanted pregnancy's who report these "rapes". Most likely it's probably the only means they can provide to circumvent the stringent abortion criteria in Norway. i.e "I was raped by a Paki. May I have an abortion please" ?
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