It's Not About Jihad

[Poetess]

Penned in the tumultuous winter of France 2005 when rioting by Muslim hordes engulfed the heretofore peaceful suburbs of Paris, bringing the city to a virtual standstill. Now somewhat dated- nevertheless provides great insight into why multiculturalism leads down the path of Catastrophe.

by Mark Steyn, Free Republic

‘What does it matter where this path leads, nowhere or elsewhere, if the furrow continues flowering, if the flash of lightning still inflames the night?’ writes Dominique de Villepin, Prime Minister of the French Republic, in his 823-page treatise on poetry.

My colleague Rod Liddle writes elsewhere about the media’s strange reluctance to use the M-word vis-à-vis the rioting ‘youths’. I’m sure he’s received, as I have, plenty of emails arguing that there’s no Islamist component (to the 2005 French riots), they’re not the madrasa crowd, they may be Muslim but they’re secular and Westernised and into drugs. It’s the lack of jobs; these riots derive from conditions peculiar to France, etc. As one correspondent wrote, ‘You right-wing shit-for-brains think everything’s about jihad.’

Well, it’s true there are Muslims and there are Muslims: some blow up Tube trains and some rampage through French streets and some claim Mossad’s put something in the chewing gum to make Arab men susceptible to the seduction techniques of Jewesses. Some kill Dutch film-makers and some complain about Piglet coffee mugs on co-workers’ desks, and millions of Muslims don’t do any of the above but apparently don’t feel strongly enough about them to say a word in protest. And it’s also true that it’s better to have your Peugeot torched than to be blown apart on the Piccadilly Line. But what all these techniques — and those of lobby groups who offer themselves as interlocutors between bewildered European elites and ‘moderate’ Muslims — have in common is that they advance the Islamification of Europe.

Just for the record, I don’t think everything’s about jihad. Rather, I think everything’s about demography. It wasn’t a subject I took much interest in pre-9/11. A decade ago, for example, I tended to accept the experts’ line that Japan’s rising sun had gone into eclipse because its economy was riddled with protectionism, cronyism and inefficient special-interest groups. But so what? You could have said the same 30 years ago, when the joint was booming. The only real difference is that Japan’s population was a lot younger back then. What happened in the 1990s was what Yamada Masahiro of Tokyo’s Gakugei University calls the first ‘low birth-rate recession’. It’s not the economy, stupid. It’s the stupidity, economists — the stupidity of thinking you can buck demography.

Now go back to that bland statistic you hear a lot these days: ‘about 10 per cent of France’s population is Muslim’. Give or take a million here, a million there, that’s broadly correct, as far as it goes. But the population spread isn’t even. And when it comes to those living in France aged 20 and under, about 30 per cent are said to be Muslim and in the major urban centres about 45 per cent. If it came down to street-by-street fighting, as Michel Gurfinkiel, the editor of Valeurs Actuelles, points out, ‘the combatant ratio in any ethnic war may thus be one to one’ — already, right now, in 2005. It is not necessary, incidentally, for Islam to become a statistical majority in order to function as one. At the height of its power in the 8th century, the ‘Islamic world’ stretched from Spain to India, yet its population was only minority Muslim. Nonetheless, by 2010, more elderly white Catholic ethnic frogs will have croaked and more fit healthy Muslim youths will be hitting the streets. One day they’ll even be on the beach at St Trop, and if you and your infidel slut happen to be lying there wearing nothing but two coats of Ambre Solaire when they show up, you better hope that the BBC and CNN are right about there being no religio-ethno-cultural component to their ‘grievances’.

Back in March, Chris Doyle, director of the Council for Arab-British Understanding, wrote to our letters page. ‘Mark Steyn seems obsessed with trying tirelessly to prove that he was right about the “big things”,’ he grumbled, ‘forgetting that he is not the story."

Au contraire, I am the story. That’s to say, I’d have been happy to recycle for another decade or so the same Clinton blowjob jokes that provided me with a very easy living during the 1990s were it not for the fact that I’ve got three kids under the age of ten, and it seems to me that by the time they’re in young adulthood a lot of the places I know and love — including, believe it or not, France — will be a lot less congenial, if not lost for ever. I’m in this thing for me and mine. I am the story. And so’s Mr Doyle. And so are you. And, if you reckon you’re not, you’d better be a childless centenarian in the late stages of avian flu. Unless you act, you’re going to lose your world.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519371/posts

[Bagamundo]

Fukk off biatch,


People, please do not respond to this ignorant breed. She has dis respected the prophet and we shouldn't tolerate her in our own net.


Get the fukk out of here you piece of scum.

[Bagamundo]

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[musika man]

poetess, are you in love with mark stayn? this is the 19th time you posted his articles. don't overdose us with articles of this muslim hater.

[FAH1223]

Reminds me of Nazi Germany mentality

[Bagamundo]

Don't let the islam bashing fool you, the bitch is here to meet her soul mate. That's why she started off as a hater and later dropped to become a nut case with different tone. Her self advertisement video blogs are nothing short of self advertisement to get some feed back on her below avarage white slut body image.

Somali people are not into white sluts, might find better luck if you offer,the cracker next door to you free bj, biatch.

[Poetess]

Fah, It's that very Nazi mentality we're fighting off.

Totalitarianism is the doctrine which underpins both Nazism & Islam.

Bagamundo

No nappy haired negro for me. Thanks for the offer all the same. (next time let's keep off the racial slurs eh?)

[FAH1223]

[quote="Poetess"]Fah, It's that very Nazi mentality we're fighting off.

Totalitarianism is the doctrine which underpins both Nazism & Islam.

Bagamundo

No nappy haired negro for me. Thanks for the offer all the same. (next time let's keep off the racial slurs eh?)[/quote]

Islam doesn't match with totalitarian or monarchy type regimes. It matches with DEMOCRACY. Why are Muslims immigrating to the West? Because its a BETTER LIFE and their home countries probably have some type of dictatorship regime or its a third world country that has been set back by something in the past.

The whole rhetoric in the West about "oh we need to get them out before they do so and so" is the same SHYT Nazi Germany was spitting about the Jews and other minorities.

When speaking of democracy, we are not speaking of the American Democracy. Democracy is the only system of government that is Islamic.

Democracy consists of a set of values and procedures. One of most the important values of democracy is people's right to choose their leader and not to be ruled by force or tyranny. This is also an Islamic value, which we call shura or mutual consultation.

Another important value is checks and balances by which powers are distributed and separated in a way that achieves independence of each power and the ability to check and correct each other. In Qur'anic terminology, this is called al-mudafa`ah, which is a very important Islamic concept that protects the society against corruption. Almighty Allah says, [Had not Allah checked one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief] (Al-Baqarah 2:251).

As for the procedures of democracy, such as elections, voting, campaigning, et cetera, these are means for achieving principles. In this sense, democracy is also an Islamic principle. This does not mean that each democratic country is Islamic, but it does mean that each Islamic country should be democratic.

Muslim are told to be loyal to any society or land that allows them to pray and do charity work. They are told to obey the laws of the land regardless of weather the society he or she is in have secular laws or religious laws.

Muslim are told to be open and honest and accept criticism. And respond to criticism with constructive criticism. Violence is never to be done unless one is attacked or if it is during war.

So in essence it doesn't matter weather or not a Muslim is in a religous therological state or a Secular Democarcy so long as he is allowed to pray and fast.

Remember 90% of Shariah is personal conducted and how you pray. Not political and the Shraiah only takes up 16% of the Holy Qu'ran the rest of this fine book is composed of poetry, stories, historical accounts and so on.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Hmmmmmm, I detect a thinking, intellectual type in the house. This should make the Galia's of the world most uncomfortable. A muslim using his intellect. Fah, be prepared, for you will soon be under attack.

[Poetess]

Fah

So Islam's compatible with liberal democracy- how awfully nice. Never mind that it's false and a Shura panel consisting of Muslim scholars is quite distinct from democracy for all.

Speaking of parallels between Nazism and western liberal democracy is so silly as not to warrant a response, but I'll oblige: Hiter's final solution was based on concocted falsehood. The Jewish population weren't subverting society, posed no threat and had at that point been all but assimilated.

By contrast Muslims in pretty much every western country have adamantly refused integration to their host countries, with whom they regularly violently clash. Not a month goes by without incidence usually over fundamental democratic values. Permitting such a largely hostile people to grow in numerical strength does not bode well for Western democracy. The Nazis in this predicament are not western societies who've opened their doors to immigrants fleeing a war ravaged and poverty stricken Islamic country , but the 5th coloumn, state within a state actively undermining their most cherished principles.

[Bagamundo]

You wish i was in bed with you instead of that wimp cracker you call man. But then again i'd be too hooked on crack to full fill your sexual desire since i consider you an ugly and low life trailer trash with no phiseque appeal and certainly not up to my standard of what i look for in a woman.

Down here where i am from, people are not nappy, nor do we fit the stereo typical of blacks. But in reality i understand your psych and frustration of ever wanting to go againts your red neck father's rules.

According to popular believes in my neighbor, white chicks are no good for anything but draining balls, and i am affraid to say that you're not as equiped candidate for that specific job.

[FAH1223]

[quote="Poetess"]Fah

So Islam's compatible with liberal democracy- how awfully nice. Never mind that it's false and a Shura panel consisting of Muslim scholars is quite distinct from democracy for all.

Speaking of parallels between Nazism and western liberal democracy is so silly as not to warrant a response, but I'll oblige: Hiter's final solution was based on concocted falsehood. The Jewish population weren't subverting society, posed no threat and had at that point been all but assimilated.

By contrast Muslims in pretty much every western country have adamantly refused integration to their host countries, with whom they regularly violently clash. Not a month goes by without incidence usually over fundamental democratic values. Permitting such a largely hostile people to grow in numerical strength does not bode well for Western democracy. The Nazis in this predicament are not western societies who've opened their doors to immigrants fleeing a war ravaged and poverty stricken Islamic country , but the 5th coloumn, state within a state actively undermining their most cherished principles.[/quote]

I'm outlining the people, this right wing ideology in these Western societies who have become so radicalized in their interpretations of immigration and integration issues. I never specifically pointed out Western Democracy as a problem or compared it to Nazi Germany. And a shura panel is like Representative democracy... whats wrong with that?

I'm all for assimilating, and thats one of the beautiful things of the USA.. you can assimilate and still retain your religious identity. Same goes for the UK. And whats wrong with a Muslim population ever growing? It has nothing to do with democracy, it is well in place in France and Europe. Its an identity deal and any non-multicultural European society doesn't want that. But guess what, they will have to.

[Seoma [Crawler2]]

FAH1223 doing a great job man

[Padishah]

[quote="Poetess"]Fah
Speaking of parallels between Nazism and western liberal democracy is so silly as not to warrant a response, but I'll oblige: Hiter's final solution was based on concocted falsehood. The Jewish population weren't subverting society, posed no threat and had at that point been all but assimilated.

By contrast Muslims in pretty much every western country have adamantly refused integration to their host countries, with whom they regularly violently clash. Not a month goes by without incidence usually over fundamental democratic values. Permitting such a largely hostile people to grow in numerical strength does not bode well for Western democracy. The Nazis in this predicament are not western societies who've opened their doors to immigrants fleeing a war ravaged and poverty stricken Islamic country , but the 5th coloumn, state within a state actively undermining their most cherished principles.
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The Jews weren't subverting Germany, right?

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/script ... ecwar.html

But Muslims are subverting Western Civilisation, because they refuse to intergrate; a word so often bandied about that it has all but become meaningless. Nor is there ever a definition of what constitutes values, democratic values, or any other types of values Muslims are supposed to intergrate into. Forget that Muslims group towards nationality, and are extremely hard to unite, as current events attest to.

So your article and subsequent posts are just musings on Muslims failing to do an ill defined task to suit ill defined values and trends, but there are heads nodding sagely on all political spectrums like something cogent and wise has been said.

Need I say more.

[Poetess]

"And a shura panel is like Representative democracy... whats wrong with that?"

Nothing wrong with representative democracy except Shura is not.

"I'm outlining the people, this right wing ideology in these Western societies who have become so radicalized in their interpretations of immigration and integration issues"

When your civilization and most cherished principles as free speech, women's rights, gay rights, equality of all believers and none are under attack a society can be excused for being a tad bit upset. immigration is fine but with assimilation. Hindus, Buddhists, Jews have integrated quite nicely in Europe, Muslims particularly the young have refused, and some like Imam Ijaz Mian going so far as to tell his congregation: "Muslims must grow in strength, then take over… You are in a situation in which you have to live like a state-within-a-state - until you take over." (see article: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89262&hilit=)

"And whats wrong with a Muslim population ever growing?"

A no-brainer don't you think? If you still can't manage see above

" It has nothing to do with democracy, it is well in place in France and Europe. Its an identity deal and any non-multicultural European society doesn't want that. But guess what, they will have to."

France's getting along jolly fine with its immigrant Muslims isn't it?