Somali genetic studies

[James Dahl]

Interesting information I found recently regarding Somali genetics.

Y chromosomes are passed from father to son in a direct chain, so a man's grandfather has an identical Y chromosome to himself, as did his grandfather going back hundreds of generations. People who share a Y chromosome are called a "haplogroup".

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/ ... 1390a.html

The male lineages of Somalis are overwhelmingly (79%) from the "E3b1" group, which is shared in small amounts by a wide variety of peoples, due to the ancient nature of the lineage. 10% of Somalis however have the "K2" Y chromosome, which is shared by southern Arabs and Habashis.

But primarily Somalis and Oromos, who share this Y chromosome, meaning that the Somalis and Oromo with E3b1 Y chromosome all share the same common ancestor.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/ ... 390f4.html

HOWEVER, the mtDNA, or Mitochondrial DNA, paints a very different picture, and here there is wide divergence. While there is almost no Bantu Y-chromosomes in Somalis, there is a big mixture of Bantu mtDNA in Somalis, along with Oromo, and Arabian lineages. mtDNA is passed from a mother to her children, and thus also is an unbroken line of lineage from a distant female ancestor.

Roughly 70% of Somali mtDNA comes from the L1, L2 and L3 Bantu mtDNA haplogroups, with a smaller M1 and U6 groups found in Habashi and Arabian women.

So from a simplistic point of view, the Somalis left the Oromo/Somali ancestral homeland in Oromia, conquered Somalia from Bantus, married their womenfolk, and married the odd Arabian wife while they were at it. A small minority of the Arabs (10%) founded dynasties of their own (we know this already, Sheikh Issaq, Ram Nag and Sheikh Darod).

[Padishah]

How nice you cite Dienekes! While his work is brilliant, his 'Greeks are the Best' attitude, plus his latent Islamophobia can get a bit trying.

[James Dahl]

Hmm I screwed the links up, fixed now.

[gurey25]

[quote]Roughly 70% of Somali mtDNA comes from the L1, L2 and L3 Bantu mtDNA haplogroups, with a smaller M1 and U6 groups found in Habashi and Arabian women.
[/quote]
i was unable to find this qoute in any of the links provided.

I only found a qoute in dienekes blog stating 22% of mtDNA to be of european

[gurey25]

[quote]So from a simplistic point of view, the Somalis left the Oromo/Somali ancestral homeland in Oromia, conquered Somalia from Bantus, married their womenfolk, and married the odd Arabian wife while they were at it. A small minority of the Arabs (10%) founded dynasties of their own (we know this already, Sheikh Issaq, Ram Nag and Sheikh Darod).[/quote]

This sounds correct if you are only looking at genetics,
but it is generally agreed that the bantu expansion from the niger , congo delta started in the 500BC
and only reached East africa recently,
While proto-somali/oromo where as far south as tanzania in the 1500BC.

Basicaly we were in east africa before the abantu

[James Dahl]

Damn I wish I had written down where I had gotten that info. :/
The M1 female lineage is that which is from Europe, specifically the Levant and Greece.

[abwaan1]

war waxani waa maxay? ayaan la qabiil nahay?

[neocon_2007]

[quote="James Dahl"]Interesting information I found recently regarding Somali genetics.

Y chromosomes are passed from father to son in a direct chain, so a man's grandfather has an identical Y chromosome to himself, as did his grandfather going back hundreds of generations. People who share a Y chromosome are called a "haplogroup".

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/ ... 1390a.html

The male lineages of Somalis are overwhelmingly (79%) from the "E3b1" group, which is shared in small amounts by a wide variety of peoples, due to the ancient nature of the lineage. 10% of Somalis however have the "K2" Y chromosome, which is shared by southern Arabs and Habashis.

But primarily Somalis and Oromos, who share this Y chromosome, meaning that the Somalis and Oromo with E3b1 Y chromosome all share the same common ancestor.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/ ... 390f4.html

HOWEVER, the mtDNA, or Mitochondrial DNA, paints a very different picture, and here there is wide divergence. While there is almost no Bantu Y-chromosomes in Somalis, there is a big mixture of Bantu mtDNA in Somalis, along with Oromo, and Arabian lineages. mtDNA is passed from a mother to her children, and thus also is an unbroken line of lineage from a distant female ancestor.

Roughly 70% of Somali mtDNA comes from the L1, L2 and L3 Bantu mtDNA haplogroups, with a smaller M1 and U6 groups found in Habashi and Arabian women.

So from a simplistic point of view, the Somalis left the Oromo/Somali ancestral homeland in Oromia, conquered Somalia from Bantus, married their womenfolk, and married the odd Arabian wife while they were at it. A small minority of the Arabs (10%) founded dynasties of their own (we know this already, Sheikh Issaq, Ram Nag and Sheikh Darod).[/quote]

L1,2,3, M1 & U6 are indigenious east african lineages carrried by the proto-afrasians. M1 is India a result in genetic drifting. Who said L1,L2 & L3 are "BANTU LINEAGES"? Maternally these lineages are PREDOMINATE in CONTENTIAL AFRICA AMONG ALL SPEAKERS - BANTU/AFROASIATIC ECT. Lingustics has little correaltion to genetics however its socially reverse. So SOMALIS ARE NOT MATERNALLY BANTU LMAO. Theres nothing simplistic about genetics let alone mapping out haplogroups with historical accounts whether accurate or not. The origins of E3b points to Somalis, the Somalis or for that matter any other afroasiatic speaker ex. Oromo never stopped the Bantu expansion which was a South to North migration. So the Somalis never ecountered the Bantus let alone married there women. Come correct with your info, and dont use historical accounts to relate genetics let alone dynasstys.

[Ina Baxar]

My ancestors come from Ramadi , madafakas , I don't give a fak about your E3, L1 and M4s

[Unclebin-]

Deienekes is trying to make somalis look like they are 'half breeds' so as to not look like a half breed himself.

He tries to say E3b is a white man y-chromosome because 25% of greeks have E3b

[Warya_dude]

I heard 80% of the North Africans have E3b

So Somalis are the forefathers of North Africans and Greeks?

[neocon_2007]

[quote="Unclebin-"]Deienekes is trying to make somalis look like they are 'half breeds' so as to not look like a half breed himself.

He tries to say E3b is a white man y-chromosome because 25% of greeks have E3b [/quote]

Thats fucked up, reason for that is the same lineage was recently introduced to Southern Europe so he needs a reason to keep his lineage as prestine as possible. He's a intellectual cadaan that does what he does corrupt facts so they sway to his liking.

[Alluring]

[quote="Warya_dude"]I heard 80% of the North Africans have E3b

So Somalis are the forefathers of North Africans and Greeks?[/quote]

Greeks and Middle Eastern are connected, because of trades (you can also learn this in the concept of mythology).

Since the majority of N.Africans are Arab, than of course they would be connected to the Greeks.

[Warya_dude]

North Africans are majority Berbers mixed with European and black. Very few of them actually have authentic Arab (see Arabian) blood. Speaking the language and being conquered by Arabs doesn't make you an Arab same applys to Sudanese and Lebanese so called 'Arabs'.

North Africans (Berbers) and Mediterraneans (like Italians and Greeks) probably originally came from Ethiopia/Somalia

Look at when Somalis mix with European woman the kid looks always North African.

So...

Somali + White European woman = Ancient Greek civilization

[neocon_2007]

[quote="Warya_dude"]I heard 80% of the North Africans have E3b

So Somalis are the forefathers of North Africans and Greeks?[/quote]

North Africans- Berbers carry a dominant mutation of E3b which is orginates among the Fellasha of Ethiopia, but at very low frequencies. As a result, this points to genetic drifting and can be considered a Berber marker since the frequency is greater then 80% in some berbers. During the Neolitihic, the natfians introduced agriculture into the levantine and continue there migration into souther europe. They are considered the population that introduced E3b into much of Southern Europe and the Balkans. Dienekies or however are corrupt fu-c-ks tainting and swaying info at the expense of Noble Somalis. Somalis are the orignators of all, fact.