Where in the World iS Barre Hiiraale ????

[AbdiWahab252]

Where in the World iS Barre Hiiraale ????

Some say he is sharing a cell jail with other MPs like Caato & Xabsaade.

Why is he very quiet ? Not a peep from him while the bull Jelle is braying everywhere

[sadeboi]

Well Barre is keeping quite about this whole situation, just like beesh SADE have been quite.

The better question is WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM BARRE, to speak and say what?

[Warsame101]

A/W I just posted an article yesterday explaining the exact question that you are asking.

http://www.gedonet.com/index.php?news=1304

[AbdiWahab252]

sadeboi,

Anything. Because by being very quiet, he is sending out a message of accepting what his employee Salad jelle is doing

[sadeboi]

http://www.gedonet.com/index.php?news=1303


AW read that too.



Barre does not like this government, but opposing it publicly and just blaberring won't do nothing, you have to destroy it form the inside, I guess.

[DANGIRL]

I found where Barre Hirraale is at.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bNF_P281Uu4

[Koronto91]

Warsame a.k.a Jeffrey Dahmer, my Londoner friend, what happened to Wadaadnimo? I remember how critical you used to be of the ICU regarding their aqeedah and here you defend a known warlord?

[sadeboi]

Barre Hiiraale is not a warlord, he is a defender of his people. He has never attack peopled nor has set up roadblocks and so forth to steal from the Somali people, people lived great under his reign and will continue to do so. Now if you just want to say stuff for the fun of it, due to your incompetence then proceed however if you want to act like a mature person with somewhat of a knowledge then do explain how Barre is a warlord.

[Warsame101]

[quote="Koronto91"]Warsame a.k.a Jeffrey Dahmer, my Londoner friend, what happened to Wadaadnimo? I remember how critical you used to be of the ICU regarding their aqeedah and here you defend a known warlord?[/quote]

Barre Hiiraale a known warlord? Can he put in the same league as Indacadde who has been terrorising the innocenents? Where did Barre Hiiraale murder or terrorise civilians that merits him as a "warlord"

Read the above article explaining his history.

PS, I am not from London.

[guhad122]

Ilka-Yars are Ilka-Yars walaahay. Here you have the biggest warlord, who committed more crimes than Afbiijo, who killed the peace-loving Qoraxeey, who said on national radio that he would use Yuhuuds to kill other Somalis, and with all these, Ilka-Yar baraars supporting him just because he is from their clan.

As far I am cocerned, he shares the Afbiijo views and agendas in massacring innocent civilians of Muqdisho.

[Koronto91]

[quote="sadeboi"]Barre Hiiraale is not a warlord, he is a defender of his people. He has never attack peopled nor has set up roadblocks and so forth to steal from the Somali people, people lived great under his reign and will continue to do so. Now if you just want to say stuff for the fun of it, due to your incompetence then proceed however if you want to act like a mature person with somewhat of a knowledge then do explain how Barre is a warlord.[/quote]


He is a warlord according to the description of that term. Look it up.

Besides, I remember reading somewhere that he killed civilians near Diinsoor when his brother was killed in December 06'.

[Koronto91]

[quote="Warsame101"]Barre Hiiraale a known warlord? Can he put in the same league as Indacadde who has been terrorising the innocenents? Where did Barre Hiiraale murder or terrorise civilians that merits him as a "warlord"

Read the above article explaining his history.

PS, I am not from London.[/quote]

Dude, as far as I am concerned these blood thirsty old men are all warlords, you'll never catch me supporting Omar Jees, who is my clansman, because he is a warlord, I will not loose my Aqira over these greedy men.

[COSTA]

A/W nice jambal man now its

Ilkoyar vs Caanaboodhe

continue......lets see the winner

[sadeboi]

"A warlord is a person with power who has de facto military control of a subnational area due to armed forces loyal to the warlord and not to a central authority."


That is the meaning of a warlord, and every Somali leader from Puntland to Somaliland was a warlord, since there was no central authority and everyone of them militarily controlled a certain part of the country; what does that entail? It does not mean anything negative, so why then did you say "why do you support a known warlord?" The meaning of the term and how Somalis interpret it are two different things; Somalis see warlords as a corrupt killer who feeds on the souls of the people and does as he please , and attacks place without any regard to human cost; which does not fit who Barre is.


Well everything you read or hear is not true, the diinsoor incident resulted in his BROTHER's death. After the battle of diinsoor was won and the UIC deserted, Barres brother and some other nationalist were driving when they seen this group of men fighting over a car, Barre's brother went up there to see whats going on, and was shot at and the other men with him fired back; there was no innocent civilians killed anywhere. Now is that all you have on Barre? Next time have more facts before you type senselessly.

[Warsame101]

[quote="Koronto91"]
Besides, I remember reading somewhere that he killed civilians near Diinsoor when his brother was killed in December 06'.[/quote]

That lie already has been exposed. Here is what happend:

"Two feuding clans were fighting over a deserted ICU truck full of heavy armaments when the TFG forces leaving Diinsoor heard the squabble and the defense minister sent a younger brother of his and another army officer on a sahan to go investigate the problem.

Immediately and without provocation the small sahan was attacked and the lives of both Barre's brother and the other army officer were taken.

Upon hearing the heavy gunfire, the defense minister naturally believed it to be an ambush and immediately ordered a full guns-drawn move on the area. That is how the clash happen, no such massacre took place. "


You said:
[quote]Dude, as far as I am concerned these blood thirsty old men are all warlords, you'll never catch me supporting Omar Jees, who is my clansman, because he is a warlord, I will not loose my Aqira over these greedy men.[/quote]

Ina Jees was definately a murderer who killed his own elders. How can the guy be praised since he has no record of achievements. It is an insult to equate him with Barre Hiiraale.

Remember Korontow that your past heros praised Barre. Didn't Sheikh Abu Mansuur say:
"Barre Hiiraale waxa waayee nin ee Maxkamadaha ka aaminsanyihiin wadaniyaad, iyo sharaf, iyo xurmad badan"
"Barre Hiiraale is a man that the ICU believes to be nationalistic, honourable, and full of integrity"

This is what Somalinet wrote a few years back:

"Kismayo;s current peace and governance initiative are the brainchild of Mr. Barre Adan Shire aka Barre Hiiraale. Mr. Shire received unprecedented popularity among city residents after he effectively built bridges among various feuding tribes and banned looting and intimidation by his armed militias. His new security drive is welcomed by almost everyone in the city.

He lost close friends and former allies when he told them he is not a typical warlord and he's determined to build civil regional administration. Even many armed men from his Marehan tribe left him for his stand on responsible governance. A former ally and a close tribesman, Adan jama Dhere is now collecting weapons and gathering tribal young men in an attempt to force Barre out of Kismayo. Mr. Dhere left Kismayo recently after clashes between his supporters and Barre's.
http://somalinet.com/news/world/English/572

Lastly you're using the Somali definition of warlord and the standard definition of warlord interchangbly. What is the standard definition of a warlord?

The standard definition of a "warlord" is:

"is a leader whose power has been attained by non-democratic means but who exercises authority usually on the basis of an appeal to ethnic or religious identity, and who usually controls a definable territory where he has a near monopoly on the use of force. A warlord, as opposed to a gang leader or petty crook, operates within a clear and defined political framework."

By this definition, Col. Barre Hiiraale is a warlord and the ICU were a group of warlords, but what about the oft-used and cited Somali definition?

The Somali definition of a "warlord" is:

"a criminal thug who recruits men from his own tribe and who have allegiance to the warlord. He is someone who drives his capacity to intimidate one or few persons at most. A warlord drives his power from his capacity to intimidate the civilian populations of whole villages, towns and cities and is usually responsible for the death of hundreds of innocent civilians."

Does this definition apply to Col. Barre Hiiraale? Nay and here is why:

* Col. Barre Hiiraale has never performed atrocities as opposed to others such as Caydiid, Morgan, et la.
* Col. Barre Hiiraale's army consisted of three different tribes including his own.
* Col. Barre Hiiraale has never intimidated the inhabitants but instead provided security and justice

The satisfaction of the people is witness to his justice as outlined in the news article that I have provided.