Mandera out of control (Cali Dheere VS Garre)

[Voltage]

Just because you were born there doesn't mean you have a monopoly on knowledge. You need to understand you might be very limited by your own biases. I have heard of Corner Tribes. I have never heard Marehan being considered a Corner Tribe. I gave you a Kenyan government official writing from the UNDP. Maybe you belong to a corner tribe, in which case you are still a citizen there.

Actually with the way things have been going, it will not be far when Marehan after 60 years being uprooted by British find themselves in the Kenyan parliament voted from within Kenya.

EU commissioned study

example for effective strategy on conflict prevention and mitigation, the WPD-M management
has ensured that the organization’s working group comprises members from all the clans in
Mandera County (i.e. Garre, Murulle, Degodia, Marehan and the Corner tribes) - (Amina Hassan
– personal communication).

http://www.disasterriskreduction.net/fi ... -COOPI.pdf

However, I agree with you that clan wars serve no purpose and they should never be allowed to take place.

[Lamagoodle]

I was in Mandera two and half years ago. My dad's brother owns property there. My dad's habar yar (his mom's sister) relocated from the Netherlands to live there and owns properties. Two of my youngest abtiyaal are in Kenyan boarding school in Mandera.

I said I was born there and visit it twice a year in response to what you wrote!! Actually, my house is on the border so I am more in Buulo Xaawo than in Mandera and I view myself as a somali!

You are a victim of what is in philosophically called "fallacy of reasoning"!

Rationally, I am more knowledgeable than you because I was born there and I visit it every year , but, I am not laying claim to knowledge. I am merely stating facts as I know them.

Let us refrain from assumptions! Why am I biased? I am not a slave to tribalism . I don't believe in the god called tribe. I am for somaliweyn. My views are not in any way mixed with tribal vernom.

I am not the guy who engages in fadhi ku-dirir nonsense and the " we are "great" discourse" .

Anyway, let us hope peace prevails and pray that we are cured from the cancer called tribalism.

[Voltage]

Somebody just told me you are a Degoodiye which explains some of where you were coming from. Amazing. Hide behind pan-Somali euphemism while you have a strictly clan agenda.

[Lamagoodle]

Somebody just told me you are a Degoodiye which explains some of where you were coming from. Amazing. Hide behind pan-Somali euphemism while you have a strictly clan agenda.

LOL.. Another assumption my friend. I remember you asking me whether I belonged to that tribe (PM) and the answer I gave you stands.

I wonder why reasoning in somali politics has a casual relationship to tribe

Seriously, you come across as a rational and intelligent guy and I strongly believe that you can contribute to a better somalia if you give up your fascination with tribalism bro!
Think about it saaxib; tribalism is a cancer tomour; it limits your ability to think and reason independently. You are needed in the reconstruction of our failed dreams.

Free you mind saaxib

[Voltage]

The more I got involved with Somalis the more I realized the importance of your tribe. Obviously I will never support my clan in wrong and will not do at the expense of other Somalis, but truth be told they are my first priority within the Somali structure. Something is theoretical (pan-Somalism) while another is practical (helping Marehan first).

[Daff]

Who is Cali Dheere? My Allah give Somalis peace wherever they might be...

[Lamagoodle]

The more I got involved with Somalis the more I realized the importance of your tribe. Obviously I will never support my clan in wrong and will not do at the expense of other Somalis, but truth be told they are my first priority within the Somali structure. Something is theoretical (pan-Somalism) while another is practical (helping Marehan first).

I think you need to study instead of engaging in tribal nonsense; view the mechanisms that make societies progress and try to understand the root cause of our plights..

You are making a serious mistake if you think somali tribalism stops at the tribe level; it mutates; mestatises into clan, sub-clan, sub-sub-clan. In this case, tribalism which you call practical become theoretical (another fallacy of reasoning !).

Anyway, forsake this god which is killing our society and embrace reasoning.

Habeen wanaagsan

[Voltage]

Lamgoodle-

I was joking with you sxb, giving you what you expected to hear.

Daf-

Ali-Dheere are the most powerful Marehan sub-clan in Mandera and Beled-Hawo.

Although the Islamists allegedly have a strong power base, their executive committee is composed of "Marehan from the Rer Ahmed and Rer Eli Dhere, whose territories extend around Dolow and Bulo Hawa" (ibid.).

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6ab4914.html

Ali-Dhere introduced and control the small arms trade in Kenya according to the Kenyan government.

[Daff]

[quote="Voltage"]Lamgoodle-

I was joking with you sxb, giving you what you expected to hear.

Daf-

Ali-Dheere are the most powerful Marehan sub-clan in Mandera and Beled-Hawo.

I think Cali-Gaab has something to say about that...dude you could have said they r marixan. thanks anyway

[Murax]

Completely unacceptable. Somalis rioting, and Kenyan Gaalo having to calm them down. I hope the agitators whether they're marexaan or not are captured and brought to justice. Mandeera has always been a safe place for Reer Gedo to go in times of conflict




Voltage,

I'm facinated by these Murule ppl sxb, I remember this one Oday who was from that tribe treating me very different when He found out I was Marexaan, like a son or something, whereas he was closed off before


Where are their deegan, and where are their originally from? What is their dialect and when did our alliance with them start?

[Voltage]

As far as I know they are Gugundhabe Hawiye, very closely related to Baadicadde, Jajeele, etc.

[quark]

Haven't heard anything yet. Generally I don't get why communities and clans fight because of a criminal's wrong doing. If a Garre man commits a crime, his clan should not protect him and if a Cali-Dheere man commits a crime, his clan should not protect him. The whole problem starts when clans serve as protection and insurance for criminals. Clans should be the first to stigmatize and bring their criminals under the law rather than protect them.

well said That common sense approach would have solved most of the primitive Somalis problems.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

The more I got involved with Somalis the more I realized the importance of your tribe. Obviously I will never support my clan in wrong and will not do at the expense of other Somalis, but truth be told they are my first priority within the Somali structure. Something is theoretical (pan-Somalism) while another is practical (helping Marehan first).

Finally Voltage uses his head. This is a step towards progress.

[abdirisak22]

Su,aasha munaasib uma arko balse mid aan laga fiirsan oo shar horseedaysa ayan u arkaa sababtoo ah Mareexaan marti buu ku yahay Mandera. Aniga waxaa iga talaa in la tirtiro guud ahaanba THIS POSTING