The injustice happening in somalia

[sav12600]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHaavqtnn7U


after 25+ years the poor locals of lower shabelle are still victims of horrfic crimes bieng commited by outsiders who claim to represent the somali army.

[smooth]

After 7:20 lost all sympathy, Gobalada dhexe laga so wadey kulaha, the people she is talking about (hiraab) are natives there for centuries, as the famous hiraab imamate kingdom both before and after Ajuuraan kingdom several centuries back, these biyomaal came from Klika5 in the 40's due to droughts and being whipped by the Ogaden's pastoralist, as for the CadCad's they are the bastard spawn of the invading Portuguese.

They have the nerve to call the actual natives invaders? I mean people that were native for several 100's of years and had their own kingdom long before they ever entered Somalia or in the latter case existed? cajiib, for as long as this happens, the Karbaash will continue

[skywalker25]

Let's hope al-shabab settles these peoples accounts with your criminal enterprise. It's because of the treatment inflicted on these powerless people they turn to Alshabab and seek vengeance. But what does the product of a moriyons moment of pleasure and most likely a passing female victim, know about what's morally wrong or right. Your whole being is the product of your tribes mad max way of life. It's unfair for us to expect you to have a moral compass...

[SahanGalbeed]

Ilaahey bahalada ha idin ka qabto . Ina Lilah wa ina Ileehi Raajicuun , waxay Somaliya u socon la'dahay ba waa tan. No moral compass at all

[smooth]

You don't know what's going at all, the people in the video are wailing about D&M and the president not Hawiye, half those government troops are Biyomaal and D&M doing the looting and raping as they are PISS poor, HG is actually keeping the peace there, when they left for a moment after disputes al-shabab took over the place (al-shabab are mostly again D&M, Biyomaal in that area) they were chopping the heads of their own criminals, even Amisom left after HG

Case in point is if you go to Mogadishu HG areas, they are the most safest, go and ask sahal whom will tell you, the same goes for Gaalkacyo, Cadaado, Dhuusamareeb, Hobyo etc. Your spouting dhabacyo envious propaganda, because if what you are saying is true, all those places would be up in flames especially the areas in Xamar which HG dominate but are still very diverse, but that's not the case, we are the most under represented tribe in al-shabab as well, they do not function were we live, the only time they attacked us what through dahabshiil wooqoyi suicide bombers, bring facts sxb not fiction.

The real criminals in Shabelle are those new comers, a mix of crooks and al-shabab both are dominated by D&M and Biyomaal, ask any one that knows the politic's there, I have had family live there for several decades generations after generations, our areas are safe, ask Sahal about were HG live in Hiiraan in Mataaban district, again very safe area, he will tell you whom the biggest crooks in Hiiraan are, your propaganda doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, just pure envy

[Rambie]

Smooth you're the same person who thinks Berbera port was built by the Soviets!
How ignorant one can be to come up with such stupid statement? And don't get all wet
Cambulu boy, the people who pushed the Somali boundaries down south were mostly Darood.
So far I have never came across any materials for you guys. In fact the only thing I read was about you
guys being pushed by RX down south. Just in the other thread you claimed your so called ancestor being buried
near Berbera. So what is it, are you native to to the south for 100's of years, or you came from the north like most Somalis?

Maybe you should work on you own advice and bring facts, by facts I don't mean the blogs you're running for Calusow


As 4 the topic in hand, it is no surprise to me Smooth your hypocrisy and munafiqnimo
got you so low to the point justifying military operations under gov supervision against your
regional rivals. You cry on the current deportation plan in SL but support Hawiya expansion in lower
Shabele under SNA? So much for your Somali National Army.

Answer this, do you or do you not support SNA's involvement in HG / Biyomaal land dispute in Lower Shabele?

[Strategic]

[img]in SL but support Hawiya expansion in lower
Shabele under SNA? So much for your Somali National Army.
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The guys/girls on the video are complaining and dissing sharif hassan mirifle and not hawiye in general,hawiye doesnt need to expand into lower shabelle,lower shabelle was created by afweyne it is called exbanadir and ends all the way to barawe,when was biymal when ibnu batuta called marka an ancient hawiye city,biyamaal cant claim anything beyond that they share a city with 30+ clans and if they continue to support alshabab then they will feel the wrath of the general populace,you are reading too much into this dir theory.

[Rambie]

[img]in SL but support Hawiya expansion in lower
Shabele under SNA? So much for your Somali National Army.
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The guys/girls on the video are complaining and dissing sharif hassan mirifle and not hawiye in general,hawiye doesnt need to expand into lower shabelle,lower shabelle was created by afweyne it is called exbanadir and ends all the way to barawe,when was biymal when ibnu batuta called marka an ancient hawiye city,biyamaal cant claim anything beyond that they share a city with 30+ clans and if they continue to support alshabab then they will feel the wrath of the general populace,you are reading too much into this dir theory.

I didn't watch the video but mostly replied to smooth's laba waji.
Can you give me an evidence that Banadir was excursively Hawiya? Smooth once
posted a quote claiming Hawiya sultane/Imaam being from Mogadishu to Hoboyo while Lower Shabele
today is located south of Mogadishu . Siad Barre also craved Awdal from Woqoyi Galbed and Sool & Sanaag from Toghdeer.
Does it mean we should kick out all Dir & Harti simply because Siad Barre craved our regions to reward his supporters? No.

[smooth]

Barbie

You lack basic reading comprehension, I seen you many times ask me the very same things that I have already outlined in my post, I don't know if your trolling or its the khaat induced retardation or you suffering from aspergers or early onset of alzheimer's, my apologies if it's the latter, but if not, this is becoming very tiresome, go and look up who took out the Ajuuran kingdom and ruled that land for centuries, I posted the links and references several times, then again I don't expect an iidoor to know much.

The conflict in Shabelle at this moment in time and as you can clearly see in the video above is between Biyomaal and a few CadCad Vs D&M Maamul of Shariif, Biyomaal and D&M in that area make up the majority of al-shabab, half of the SNA as well as the majority of the criminals, looters and rapists, it has nothing to do with HG, did you even listen to the video?

If you know anything about Koonfur we dominate 5 districts in Xamar we share with a lot of tribes, a district in Hiiraan we share with Sahal, in Galgaluud we share with Marexaan, even in Klika5 we share with OG's, ARE ALL conflict FREE and criminal free, in fact HG area's are the safest even in lower shabelle, go and ask Sahal who knows the place well and has visited them, the proofs are irrefutable regardless of your dhabacyo PR regurgitations based on envy.

Your question is stupid as biyomaal has no claims to those lands, even the CadCad's and D&M have more history there + Biyomaal and D&M make up half the SNA that's there you moron, Hiraab our father with Abtiris goes back anywhere between 850-1000 year, I was talking about centuries not millenniums, he is buried in Berbera, this is consistent with DNA records as well as history that states we all migrated to Egypt from the Horn 3000 years ago with the kingdom of Kush ruling the place until evicted by the Assyrian's and we subsequently migrated back to the Horn

All this while the Yahuudi peasant Sh Bin Ishaaq (no arab ever calls themselves isaac/ishaaq as it's a yahuudi name) was migrating from Baghdad according to your own legends and married Xabashi women (even stated by Aw Rastaale), you didn't even come into existent nor did that Yahuudi (not Arab) peasant landed on these shores when our father was buried in Wooqoyi a millennium ago after his progeny were part of the people that ran the richest empire in history in Egypt and fought the mighty Assyrian's, while your bastard yahuudi/Xabashi spawn's were not even born, your the only people that had no sultante or imamate in the whole of Somalia, you had the Awdal, Warsangeli, Ajuuran, Hiiraab etc. even dhabacyo had Majerteenia with their fake boqors, what did you have? you vessel carrying, foreign loving, Xabashi bending fucktard

[Rambie]

Smoothie,

If you don't have a respond than just say I don't know. No need to get emotional
and telling me your life story or your clan settlement elsewhere cos honestly I couldn't care less.
Do you have valid sources asserting you claims? Yes or no please. I don't have the whole day to karbashe you again.

PS: Did you figure out wither Hawiya native southerns or came from North?

[smooth]

How many times do I have to post this to you? you really are suffering from khaat induced retardation

There is no better source of authority about Somali's then the book below, I have it sitting on my lap

The Shaping of Somali society by Lee Cassanelli

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mlh ... oQ6AEIHDAA

Excerpt

the Hiraab imamate was a powerful alliance of closely related groups who shared a common lineage under the Gurgarte clan divisions. It successfully revolted against the Ajuran empire in the 15th and 16th centuries before establishling an independent entity.

The Imamate formed a clear division of power. The alliance involved the army leaders and advisors of the Habar Gidir and Duduble, a Fiqhi/Qadi of Sheikhal, and the Imam was reserved for the Mudulood branch who is believed to have been the first born. Once established, the Imamate ruled the territories stretching from Mogadishu in the Banaadir province along the coast to as far as the port town of Hobyo in the northernmost

Excerpt from tory of Africa, from c.1050 to c.1600

The Hawiya still form one of the most important tribes of the Somali, and at the time when al-Idrisi was writing his book they occupied the coastal area between Ras Hafun and Merca, as well as the lower basin of the Webe Shebele. Al-Idrisi’s mention of the Hawiya is the first documentary reference to a specific Somali group in the Horn, and it constitutes a very important testimony to the early Somali occupancy of the whole region. Later Arab writers also make references to the Hawiya in connection with both Merca and the lower valley of the Webe Shebele. Ibn Sa’id (1214-74), for instance, considered Merca to be the capital of the Hawiya, who lived in fifty villages on the bank of a river which he called ‘the nile of Mogadishu’, a clear reference to the Webe Shebele. Yaqut, another thirteenth century Arab geographer, also mentions Merca, which he says belongs to the “Black Berbers

According to Idris that's 800 years it was the capital of Hawiye

References, here is a link
1 This view is presented most fully by Cerulli (I957), I, and I. M. Lewis (I959a, 1960).
2 H. S. Lewis (I962); Fleming (1964); Haberland (1963), 3-6. Murdock (I959),
319-20, 323-4, suggested that the Galla and Somali originated in the highlands of
south-eastern Ethiopia but in most other respects followed the traditional reconstruction.
3 Guillain (1856), I, 238-9; Abu al-Fida (I848), II, 232; Cerulli (1957), I, 94; Schleicher

The book
http://www.jstor.org/stable/179457

There is even a Wiki page with references
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiraab

[Phinks]

Smooth you're the same person who thinks Berbera port was built by the Soviets!

You cry on the current deportation plan in SL but support Hawiya expansion in lower
Shabele under SNA? So much for your Somali National Army.

[zumaale]

Firstly, these folk are the LS Digil hence why they keep mentioning they were sold out by the Ashraf Sharif Xassan who ain't even Mirifle. Nigga turns a blind eye whilst Mooryans run riot. Furthermore, unlike the Biimal, they never picked up the gun and are not in control of any of their territory except the Garre and some Jiido. They and the Bantus are the true victims of the Mooryan onslaught on LS, they mostly suffer in silence. The only SNA in Biimal territory is in parts of the city city of Marka and Shaleembood. Janaale is under AS. In the No50 to Marka road, Biimal militia man the checkpoints. Even during the height of the Indhacadde years, the Biimals were not severely hampered by the Mooryans as they are mostly nomadic. Their clients, the Biimal-Jareer, were subjected to forced labour nonetheless.

Smooth

You must be the dumbest propagandist on Somalinet. The same books written by Western scholars that you quote refute your assertions that the Biimal are recent migrants. It is an established fact that they arrived in 18th century and established a Sultanate that spanned the coast from Marka to Jammaame. Moreover, you keep hiding under the Hiirab umbrella. No one disputes that the Mudulood are native to parts of Lower Shabelle but your red eyed brothers have no Deegan in Lower Shabelle, not even one f-king Tuulo. The closest thing you have to native HG's are the drought stricken nomads that were airlifted during the severe drought of the 70's and even they are numerically irrelevant. Bear in mind that even Isaaqs and Dhullos were also airlifted as part of the same operaton, do you see them claiming LS or LJ? As for quoting Idrissi, he does not even mention Hawiye but Western scholars decided to interpret his reference to a 'Hadiye' clan as being Hawiye. Allah knows who they were but one thing is for sure they were not Hiirab because the Hiirabs were somewhere in North/Central Somalia at that time whilst the Karanle were somewhere in Ethiopia. They might be other Samaales that came south long before Dir or Hawiye ventured south.

The Mudulood also migrated south from the Mareeg and Ceeldheer area in the 17th century. They and a host of other clans brought a gradual end to Ajuuran power in the South. The Silcis have the oldest presence among the Hawiye in Lower Shabelle but they were defeated by the Geledi well before the Biimal came on to the scene and are now virtually extinct. The borders between clans in LS are known, Mudulood and Biimal share a border, likewise the Geledi and Mudulood/Murursade share a border etc. Can you tell me where do Biimal or Digil territory end and HG starts? Like I have said before, holding on to former Kacaan plantations does not amount to having a Deegan. You have no Reer Mii or native resources to fall back on, just the SNA. How does it feel like to be the Neo-Faqash?

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Firstly, these folk are the LS Digil hence why they keep mentioning they were sold out by the Ashraf Sharif Xassan who ain't even Mirifle. Nigga turns a blind eye whilst Mooryans run riot. Furthermore, unlike the Biimal, they never picked up the gun and are not in control of any of their territory except the Garre and some Jiido. They and the Bantus are the true victims of the Mooryan onslaught on LS, they mostly suffer in silence. The only SNA in Biimal territory is in parts of the city city of Marka and Shaleembood. Janaale is under AS. In the No50 to Marka road, Biimal militia man the checkpoints. Even during the height of the Indhacadde years, the Biimals were not severely hampered by the Mooryans as they are mostly nomadic. Their clients, the Biimal-Jareer, were subjected to forced labour nonetheless.

Smooth

You must be the dumbest propagandist on Somalinet. The same books written by Western scholars that you quote refute your assertions that the Biimal are recent migrants. It is an established fact that they arrived in 18th century and established a Sultanate that spanned the coast from Marka to Jammaame. Moreover, you keep hiding under the Hiirab umbrella. No one disputes that the Mudulood are native to parts of Lower Shabelle but your red eyed brothers have no Deegan in Lower Shabelle, not even one f-king Tuulo. The closest thing you have to native HG's are the drought stricken nomads that were airlifted during the severe drought of the 70's and even they are numerically irrelevant. Bear in mind that even Isaaqs and Dhullos were also airlifted as part of the same operaton, do you see them claiming LS or LJ? As for quoting Idrissi, he does not even mention Hawiye but Western scholars decided to interpret his reference to a 'Hadiye' clan as being Hawiye. Allah knows who they were but one thing is for sure they were not Hiirab because the Hiirabs were somewhere in North/Central Somalia at that time whilst the Karanle were somewhere in Ethiopia. They might be other Samaales that came south long before Dir or Hawiye ventured south.

The Mudulood also migrated south from the Mareeg and Ceeldheer area in the 17th century. They and a host of other clans brought a gradual end to Ajuuran power in the South. The Silcis have the oldest presence among the Hawiye in Lower Shabelle but they were defeated by the Geledi well before the Biimal came on to the scene and are now virtually extinct. The borders between clans in LS are known, Mudulood and Biimal share a border, likewise the Geledi and Mudulood/Murursade share a border etc. Can you tell me where do Biimal or Digil territory end and HG starts? Like I have said before, holding on to former Kacaan plantations does not amount to having a Deegan. You have no Reer Mii or native resources to fall back on, just the SNA. How does it feel like to be the Neo-Faqash?

mahad sanid. You said it like it is. No one is questioning whether HG reside in LS or not. The fact is they are not native to the region. Ilaahay ha laga baqo. Sometimes i feel very ashamed of mudulood not protecting the cadcads, digil and biimaal during the civil war from the voltures.

[smooth]

You must be the dumbest propagandist on Somalinet. Tahe same books written by Western scholars that you quote refute your assertions that the Biimal are recent migrants. It is an established fact that they arrived in 18th century and established a Sultanate tht spanned the coast from Marka to Jammaame.

Now that you have admitted you arrived at the 18th century, my quote are from the 16/17 Century still way before you and that's taking you at your words since you provided no quotes, if you factor in Idris quotes for which the fast majority of scholars have the same interpretation, it's even FAR further back 800 years ago, your the only people that have no deegans in the whole of Somalia, if we moved to district based, your the biggest losers.

Your the Dir up north allied with Puntland, what do you know about L shabelle? you can try to kiss up as much as you like to mudulood, but you can't ran away from facts, you don't live with them but HG does, from Hobyo, Gaalkacyo all the way to L Shabelle I live with you guys, I know you better then anyone else, leaving aside the DIR around Hobyo that are Pro Galmudug, you along with the biyomaals are the the biggest criminals, crooks and al-shabab sympathizers in L shabelle along with D&M, your areas are the dirtiest, most under developed and the most trash, no wonder why most of you love to blame others for your problems, al-shabab virtually controls all D&M deegans, the proof is in the pudding