Did Somalis control parts of Arabia?

[Nasser12]

Did we? I know a Somali ruled parts of the Maldives. I think I read something about pirates attacking parts of Yemen or something like that. Piracy isn't that supeising since everyone engaged in it back then.

[balwarama]

perhaps 'Live' was the more suitable word. Somalis didnt control anything prior to 1960, not even their ancestral territories. They simply dwelled in it and wandered around like the savage nomads, they are!

[Gaashaanle1000]

perhaps 'Live' was the more suitable word. Somalis didnt control anything prior to 1960, not even their ancestral territories. They simply dwelled in it and wandered around like the savage nomads, they are!

It's sad when someone is so self hating and un informed about his own history and ancestral land. Let me guess, you are a millennial who has been brainwashed by a shitty western education?

Keep up the stupidity kid!

[Nasser12]

perhaps 'Live' was the more suitable word. Somalis didnt control anything prior to 1960, not even their ancestral territories. They simply dwelled in it and wandered around like the savage nomads, they are!

It's sad when someone is so self hating and un informed about his own history and ancestral land. Let me guess, you are a millennial who has been brainwashed by a shitty western education?

Keep up the stupidity kid!

Yah he doesn't know what he talking about. There was the Geledi Sultanate, Majeerteen Sultanate, and the Hobyo Sultanate all active during the 18th-20th century. There was also various other kingdoms and republic before them.

[balwarama]

all im saying is we neither had a centralised Authority nor a professional Army for a prolonged period of time. Unlike our Habesha neighbors!

[Lalune]

perhaps 'Live' was the more suitable word. Somalis didnt control anything prior to 1960, not even their ancestral territories. They simply dwelled in it and wandered around like the savage nomads, they are!

War bax! Why are you on a site called SOMALInet if you're so hateful? Learn your history and there is nothing wrong with being nomads.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

all im saying is we neither had a centralised Authority nor a professional Army for a prolonged period of time. Unlike our Habesha neighbors!

Is that why the Ajuuraan navy defeated the Portuguese in the middle ages? While the Adal sultanate's army is the reason xabashi eat raw meat to this day? Read a book and educate yourself.

[gegiroor]

Sunni Muslim Ajuran dynasty had many influences in Eastern Africa and the surrounding islands. They were also allies with the Mamluks Sunni Muslim dynasty that controlled North Africa, Ash-Sham, and Hejaz. These 2 Sunni Muslims teamed up on the Portuguese and really fend them off in their sphere of influence before the Selim I, byname Yavuz (“The Grim”), that hateful Turkish ruler, attacked the Mamluks and defeated them.

That attack has given the Portuguese, first, the means to blockade the Ajuraan dynasty from the islands in the Indian Ocean that they controlled. Second, it has enabled the Portuguese to use the newly introduced artillery against them - weapons that have not been available to Ajuran and Mamluks Sunni Muslim dynasties.

Those same weapons were also used against the Persians by the Selim The Grim, and it was the main reason that compelled Shāh Ismāʿil of Persia to convert Iran from Sunni Islam to Shia Islam. Before the Selim The Grim's attack against Persia, they were also allies with their Muslim Ajuran brethren in Eastern Africa.

That evil man named Selim I (“The Grim”) had destroyed one Muslim empire (Mamluks). He crippled another one where he forced them to abandon Sunni Islam and where he sowed the seeds of sectarianism that is prevalent today. And he contributed to demise of Ajuran empire by not coming to their aid when the Portuguese were attacking them with weapons they didn't have. May Allah curse him to an eternal hell-fire. (Amen).

So, as far as I know, the the most powerful empire in medieval time that were ran by Somalis that ruled Eastern Africa and surroundings islands in the Indian Ocean was the Ajuran.

[Grant]

https://operationoverload.wordpress.com ... e-hawiyya/

"Determining whether there were any links between the Ajuraan and the wider Islamic world is problematic. There is no evidence to date that the Ajuran state was known to Muslims outside of Somalia, At the same time, the muskets and luxury goods associated with the governing elite were almost certainly imported from the Ottoman Empire or its neighbors. The Gareen alliance with the Muzaffar dynasty of Muqdisho must have given the former access to engineers and architects from abroad. If the Muslim advisers of the of the imams corresponded with statesmen elsewhere in the Islamic world, no record of their contact has come to light. On the basis of the evidence presently available, we must assume that the Ajuraan state was essentially Somali-oriented, more concerned with domestic developments than with international politics."

"From all indications, the demise of the dynasty was not a sudden event; it was a lengthy process involving both internal and external challenges to Ajuran supremacy. Although these traditions are specific enough to establish a rough chronology—the erosion of Ajuraan power seems to have begun about 1620 and was complete by 1690...."

http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his311/t ... t-port.htm

For the most part, the Portuguese operated south of Somalia. The Portuguese and the Ajuraan were in decline at the same time. For many years Portugal was ruled by Spain, or fought Spain, and the Dutch attacked the Portuguese and Spanish together during the 30 year's war, greatly weakening especially the Portuguese colonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugues ... ration_War

It was the Omani Arabs that knocked out the Portuguese and seized the slave trade.

"The capital Muscat was taken by the Portuguese on 1 April 1515, and was held until 26 January 1650, although the Ottomans controlled Muscat between 1550–1551 and 1581–1588. In about the year 1600, Nabhani rule was temporarily restored to Oman, although that lasted only to 1624, when fifth imamate, which is also known as the Yarubid Imamate. The Yarubid recaptured Muscat from the Portuguese in 1650 after a colonial presence on the northeastern coast of Oman dating to 1508.

The Yarubid dynasty expanded, acquiring former Portuguese colonies in East Africa - including Zanzibar - and engaging in the slave trade. By 1719 dynastic succession led to the nomination of Saif ibn Sultan II. His candidacy prompted a rivalry among the ulama and a civil war between the two major tribes, the Hinawi and the Ghafiri, with the Ghafiri supporting Saif ibn Sultan II. He assumed power in 1748 after the leaders of both factions had been killed in battle, but the rivalry continued, with the factionalization working in favor of the Iranians, who occupied Muscat and Sohar in 1743."

It all ended when the British ended the slave trade.

[gegiroor]

http://www.sahistory.org.za/sites/defau ... ok4you.pdf

THE CAMBRIDGE HISTORY
OF AFRICA
General Editors: J. D. FAGE and ROLAND OLIVER
Volume 3
from c. 1050 to c. 1600

"An interesting passage in Meshafe Mi/ad, attributed to Zara-Ya'qobhimself, relates the story that for his campaigns of 1445, Badlay collected
numerous levies, beginning 'from the house of Me'a/a to Meqdnsb [all of whom] were allied with the people of Adal'.' The' house
o(Me'a/a' no doubt means theBa// Mala of northern Eritrea, and Meqdush is certainly a reference to the Somalo-Arab sultanate of Mogadishu. It has already been seen that a local leader of Arab origin, Abu Bakr b. Fakhr ad-Din, had founded the sultanate of Mogadishu in the second half of the thirteenth century. The sultanate continued to thrive and when Ibn Battuta visited the city in 1330 it had become an important centre for Muslim culture as well as an active commercial port on the Benadir coast.2 The general picture which emerges is that Mogadishu was essentially a city-state, though with considerable influence on the neighbouring coastal and inland districts. Further south, the Hawiya controlled Merca, and apparently in the fifteenth century a fairly strong state was established by the Ajuran, who were of a mixed Arab and Hawiya origin. The Ajuran state expanded into the interior along the lower valley of the Webe Shebele and was in control of the immediate hinterland of Mogadishu with which it had amicable relations, particularly in the days of the so-called Muzaffar dynasty which ruled the sultanate of Mogadishu during the sixteenth century. Mogadishu was still at the height of its cultural and commercial power when some Portuguese documentary references are made to it in the end of the fifteenth and the beginning of the sixteenth centuries. On the return trip from his first voyage to India, Vasco da Gama simply passed by Mogadishu in 1499 without making any attempt to control it. And the Portuguese descriptions show that it was still in a very strong and prosperous condition. Rich commercial ships were anchored in its harbour, and it was in regular and active contact with India and Arabia. A list of its exports, given in the account of a Portuguese writer within the second decade of the sixteenth century, includes 'much gold, ivory, wax, cereals, rice, horses, and fruits'.1 Cerulli has rightly concluded that the traffic in gold and horses particularly indicates the possible trade relations between Mogadishu and the interior of Africa. Perhaps this also included the Ethiopian interior, where Muslim merchants had been involved in long-distance trade for many centuries."

Grant, the Ajuran empire definitely had a contact and relationship with the Muslim world, as the above document shows.

[gegiroor]

http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s ... e&uid=1575

"The Ajuran Sultanate also minted its own Ajuran currency. Many ancient bronze coins inscribed with the names of Ajuran Sultans have been found in the coastal Benadir province, in addition to pieces from Muslim rulers of Southern Arabia and Persia.[17] additionally, Mogadishan coins have been found as far as the United Arab Emirates in the Middle East. Trading routes dating from the ancient and early medieval periods of Somali maritime enterprise were strengthened or re-established, and foreign trade and commerce in the coastal provinces flourished with ships sailing to and coming from a myriad of kingdoms and empires in East Asia, South Asia, Europe, the Near East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa.[6] Through the use of commercial vessels, compasses, multiple port cities, light houses and other technology, the merchants of the Ajuran Sultanate did brisk business with traders from the following states:

Trading countries in Asia Imports Exports
Ming Empire celadon wares and their currency horses, exotic animals, and ivory
Mughal Empire cloth and spices gold, wax and wood
Malacca Sultanate ambergris and porcelain cloth and gold
Maldive Islands cowries musk and sheep
Kingdom of Jaffna cinnamon and their currency cloth

Trading countries in the Near East
Ottoman Empire muskets and cannons textiles
Safavid Persian Empire textiles and fruit grain and wood

Trading countries in Europe
Portuguese Empire gold cloth
Venetian Empire sequins –
Dutch Empire – –


Trading countries in Africa
Mamluk Sultanate (Cairo) – cloth
Adal Sultanate – –
Ethiopian Empire – –
Swahili World – –
Monomopata gold and ivory spices and cloth
Gonderine Empire gold and cattle cloth
Merina Kingdom – –
"

[gegiroor]

http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s ... e&uid=1575

"Military

The Ajuran State had a standing army with which the Garen imams and the governors ruled and protected their subjects. The bulk of the army consisted of mamluke soldiers,[36] who did not have any loyalties to the traditional Somali clan system, thereby making them more reliable. The soldiers were recruited from the inter-riverine area; other recruits came from the surrounding nomadic region. Arab, Persian and Turkish mercenaries were at times employed as well.[37] [38]

In the early Ajuran period, the army's weapons consisted of traditional Somali weapons such as swords, daggers, spears, battle axe, and bows. The Sultanate received assistance from its close ally the Ottoman Empire, with the import of firearms through the Muzzaffar port of Mogadishu, the army began acquiring muskets and cannons. The Ottomans would also remain a key ally during the Ajuran-Portuguese wars. Horses used for military purposes were also raised in the interior, and numerous stone fortifications were erected to provide shelter for the army in the coastal districts.[39] In each province, the soldiers were under the supervision of a military commander known as an emir,[36] and the coastal areas and the Indian ocean trade were protected by a navy.[40]"

Grant, as this documentation shows, the Ajuran has the political alliance with the Ottoman empire after the defeat of the Mamlukes.

Actually, that link provides a good read about that empire and its overall relationships with other empires at the time.

[Grant]

Gegi, please. Read your own links:

"The Ajuran state expanded into the interior along the lower valley of the Webe Shebele and was in control of the immediate hinterland of Mogadishu with which it had amicable relations, particularly in the days of the so-called Muzaffar dynasty which ruled the sultanate of Mogadishu during the sixteenth century. Mogadishu was still at the height of its cultural and commercial power when some Portuguese documentary references are made to it in the end of the fifteenth and the beginning of the sixteenth centuries. On the return trip from his first voyage to India, Vasco da Gama simply passed by Mogadishu in 1499 without making any attempt to control it."

The Ajuuraan were an alliance of Hawiyye clans, not an empire. They were also in alliance with the Muzaffar dynasty of Mogadishu, but did not control Mogadishu. Another Hawiyye clan controlled Merka; the Ajuuraan didn't even control the coast. Chinese porcelain and other goods came to Somalia in Chinese ships. Arab coins, ceramics and glass came in Arab ships, just as, later, bananas left in Italian ships. The Samaales were camel herders and people of the interior. They had few boats, let alone trading fleets.

The Portuguese attacked Baraawe early on, and made a few unsuccessful stabs at Mog, but they had bigger fish to fry, closer to home, further south. The serious hostilities were between the Ottomans and the Portuguese, and later the Omanis and the Portuguese. Here's the Ajuuraan-Portuguese wars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Su ... guese_wars

"Ottoman-Somali cooperation against the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean reached a high point in the 1580s when Ajuran clients of the Somali coastal cities began to sympathize with the Arabs and Swahilis under Portuguese rule and sent an envoy to the Turkish corsair Mir Ali Bey for a joint expedition against the Portuguese. He agreed and was joined by a Somali fleet, which began attacking Portuguese colonies in Southeast Africa.[46]"

They are not talking about an Ajuuraan empire, they are talking about "Ajuran clients of the Somali coastal cities". Some Somalis joined the Turkish corsair Mir Ali Bey for an attack on the Portuguese, but this was not that big a deal. Check the timeline:

http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his311/t ... t-port.htm

The Ottoman–Portuguese conflicts were 1538–57 and 1580–89, during which the Ottomans barely made a dent. The Omanis did not get rid of the Portuguese until almost 1700. By then, the Ajuuraan, as a power, were also gone.

[Basra-]

Ajuraan this and Ajuraaan that--- how come people whose name is listed in all important historical documents are nothing today? Today Ajuraan are reduced to being insignificant bantus in the cusp of jareer oblivioun, and yet look at them in glowing mentions in these documents. Same with Egypt. Or the Ottoman empire offspring's. They are garbage today.

[gegiroor]

Ajuraan this and Ajuraaan that--- how come people whose name is listed in all important historical documents are nothing today? Today Ajuraan are reduced to being insignificant bantus in the cusp of jareer oblivioun, and yet look at them in glowing mentions in these documents. Same with Egypt. Or the Ottoman empire offspring's. They are garbage today.

Just worry about your endless kacsi, and let us deal with with history, old Basra.