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Re: Gang rape in Galdogob

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Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:28 am Praise be to Allaah.
The Arabic word ightisaab refers to taking something wrongfully by force. It is now used exclusively to refer to transgression against the honour of women by force (rape).

This is an abhorrent crime that is forbidden in all religions and in the minds of all wise people and those who are possessed of sound human nature. All earthly systems and laws regard this action as abhorrent and impose the strictest penalties on it, except a few states which waive the punishment if the rapist marries his victim! This is indicative of a distorted mind let alone a lack of religious commitment on the part of those who challenge Allaah in making laws. We do not know of any love or compassion that could exist between the aggressor and his victim, especially since the pain of rape cannot be erased with the passage of time – as it is said. Hence many victims of rape have attempted to commit suicide and many of them have succeeded, The failure of these marriages is proven and they are accompanied by nothing but humiliation and suffering for the woman.

Islam has a clear stance which states that this repugnant action is haraam and imposes a deterrent punishment on the one who commits it.

Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit this crime. Western studies have shown that most rapists are already criminals who commit their crimes under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places, or staying in the house alone. These studies also show that what the criminals watch on the media and the semi-naked styles of dress in which women go out, also lead to the commission of this reprehensible crime.

The laws of Islam came to protect women's honour and modesty. Islam forbids women to wear clothes that are not modest and to travel without a mahram; it forbids a woman to shake hands with a non-mahram man. Islam encourages young men and women to marry early, and many other rulings which close the door to rape. Hence it comes as no surprise when we hear or read that most of these crimes occur in permissive societies which are looked up to by some Muslims as examples of civilization and refinement! In America – for example – International Amnesty stated in a 2004 report entitled “Stop Violence Against Women” that every 90 seconds a woman was raped during that year. What kind of life are these people living? What refinement and civilization do they want the Muslim women to take part in?

The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Some scholars also say that he is required to pay a mahr to the woman.

Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In our view the man who rapes a woman, whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. End quote.

Al-Muwatta’, 2/734

Shaykh Salmaan al-Baaji (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In the case of a woman who is forced (raped): if she is a free woman, the one who forced her must pay her a “dowry” like that of her peers, and the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i, and it is the view of al-Layth, and it was also narrated from ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him).

Abu Haneefah and al-Thawri said: the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him but he is not obliged to pay the “dowry”.

The evidence for what we say is that the hadd punishment and the “dowry” are two rights, one of which is the right of Allaah and the other is the right of the other person. So they may be combined, as in the case of a thief whose hand is cut off and he is required to return the stolen goods. End quote.

Al-Muntaha Sharh al-Muwatta’, 5/268, 269

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help. End quote.

Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146

Secondly:

The rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knife-point or gun-point. If the use of a weapon was threatened, then he is a muhaarib, and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter”

[al-Maaidah 5:33]

So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse, and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors.

See also question no. 41682

And Allaah knows best.
Keep the praise of your Allah to yourself. This punishment is a slap on the hand, 80 or 100 lashes is ridiculous. These guys have destroyed a teenagers life and your religion recommends mere 100 lashes and a year of vacation. Its a fraud.

I feel sorry for the poor mother her ignorance of Islam will safe these guys . I hope she drops her demand for sharia and stick to secular law, the secular law will punish these monsters more severely then Islam. Islam is a religion with misplaced priorities, rape and alcohol are given the same punishment which is bizzare, when one drinks he harmed nobody yet they flog him 100 lashes but a crime of power and humiliation against another human being is given the same punishments which is illogical . In fact islam is so out of touch with reality that it beheads a man who peacefully chose another religion yet proscribe mere lashes to rape and sodom thats commited against others. Utter rubbish.
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X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:00 am

Keep the praise of your Allah to yourself. This punishment is a slap on the hand, 80 or 100 lashes is ridiculous. These guys have destroyed a teenagers life and your religion recommends mere 100 lashes and a year of vacation. Its a fraud.

I feel sorry for the poor mother her ignorance of Islam will safe these guys . I hope she drops her demand for sharia and stick to secular law, the secular law will punish these monsters more severely then Islam. Islam is a religion with misplaced priorities, rape and alcohol are given the same punishment which is bizzare, when one drinks he harmed nobody yet they flog him 100 lashes but a crime of power and humiliation against another human being is given the same punishments which is illogical . In fact islam is so out of touch with reality that it beheads a man who peacefully chose another religion yet proscribe mere lashes to rape and sodom thats commited against others. Utter rubbish.
Your ignorance of Islamic law is clearly showing, maybe you should just keep silent if you are nescient of what this all means. There is actually no death for the apostate, it only becomes something considered when the apostate spreads false rumours, slander and causes problems for the ummah as a whole. Otherwise there is no compulsion for you to follow any religion, you can be faithless or prostate to whatever you like. We will all return to Allah and he will judge with justice!
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" your ignorance of islam balaa balaa" the magic line of all muslims. I know Islam very well i have studied it as a mullah for years. The point isn't the punishment of an apostate or a man who drinks alchol its rather how Islam punishes the former two severely yet apply a lenient punishment on rapist. Its indicative of the Arab culture that understate the savagery of rape.

So shove your sharia up your shit chute. A secular law is far superior and efficient then a pagan Arab customary tribal law.
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Advo wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:25 pm The only people screaming for justice are from social media, while rape in Somalia is as common as the sun setting every night. I believe those bastards should be shot, however Somalis in Somalia don't give a shit because our culture promotes this behavior with the primitive xaar law (bunch of toothless old men meeting and exchanging money) and the crime is swept under the rug like it never happened. Can u believe the mother of the victim was threaten by a politician to keep her mouth shut? Smh
Yet the anon degenerates claim the diaspora is the worst of the worst and Somali culture is pristine. Which one is it? :lol:
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X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:02 am " your ignorance of islam balaa balaa" the magic line of all muslims. I know Islam very well i have studied it as a mullah for years. The point isn't the punishment of an apostate or a man who drinks alchol its rather how Islam punishes the former two severely yet apply a lenient punishment on rapist. Its indicative of the Arab culture that understate the savagery of rape.

So shove your sharia up your shit chute. A secular law is far superior and efficient then a pagan Arab customary tribal law.
Seriously? Most rapists get off without a scratch in 'secular societies'. And when they're punished it's rarely even 'harsh'. Brock Turner got 3 months for rape.
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Estranged wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:43 am
X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:02 am " your ignorance of islam balaa balaa" the magic line of all muslims. I know Islam very well i have studied it as a mullah for years. The point isn't the punishment of an apostate or a man who drinks alchol its rather how Islam punishes the former two severely yet apply a lenient punishment on rapist. Its indicative of the Arab culture that understate the savagery of rape.

So shove your sharia up your shit chute. A secular law is far superior and efficient then a pagan Arab customary tribal law.
Seriously? Most rapists get off without a scratch in 'secular societies'. And when they're punished it's rarely even 'harsh'. Brock Turner got 3 months for rape.
Clever but dishonest defence. Some dude might get off and slip through the cracks thats the exception but in general in all secular laws the punishment is harsh unlike in Islam where the punishment is soft compared to the punishment of personal choices of alcohol consumption and religious choice islam punish these more severely then rape beacuse it regards the former as an affront to their sensitive god Allah, but raping poor defenseless child is businesses as usual just give them 100 lashes and 1 year of vacation (banishment). In plain English the right of humans has less priority over the right of some invincible dude somewhere in the sky. All backward creeds accord more right and respect to the inviisble then to the actual living beings be it human or animals.

Its something you or any other rag head can't understand.
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Under Islamic law, this crime is punishable by death. It would come under the corruption and fitnah ruling. After the perpetrators are killed, their bodies would be laid on the side of the street so people can see it. This case is the same as the as the boys who place illegal extortion stops along the road and rob travellers out of their belongings. Same case !

That is my conclusions after looking at the context and considering the situation that Somalis back home are in.

Fyi, I am no scholar. I am just layman who is sharing his little understanding of the deen. I hope I am not wrong. I seek Allah's forgiveness if my understanding is wrong. Ameen
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Who raped the girl , majeerteens ?
These people know no justice or honor , fukin dooros !
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:pacspit: :pacspit: :pacspit: :pacspit: naclatu laah calayhim I hope the poor girl's family hunt these qarac down and burry them alive :pacspit:
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gegiroor wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:45 pm Under Islamic law, this crime is punishable by death. It would come under the corruption and fitnah ruling. After the perpetrators are killed, their bodies would be laid on the side of the street so people can see it. This case is the same as the as the boys who place illegal extortion stops along the road and rob travellers out of their belongings. Same case !

That is my conclusions after looking at the context and considering the situation that Somalis back home are in.

Fyi, I am no scholar. I am just layman who is sharing his little understanding of the deen. I hope I am not wrong. I seek Allah's forgiveness if my understanding is wrong. Ameen
This isnt Saudi Arabia. No such thing will take place . Their crime was horrific but head chopping and hanging from lifts is barbaric Arab culture it won't be accepted. So lay off this Arab garbage you spew mindlessly all the time.
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Someone keeps harping on secular law being harsh. Not so fast. Most rapists in the West don't go to jail, classic case of 'he said, she said' ensues. Moreover, rape kits are languashing in crime labs due to lack of resources to farther the investigation. Finally, there is a statue of limitation, at least in the US.

Subject: these guys who committed this heinous act should simply be tied to poles, empty an AK-47 magazine on each one of them. Let them become minced meat for the crows. They are not worthy of a Muslim burial.
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Hope the poor girl's family seek revenge
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Jabuutawi wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:49 pm Someone keeps harping on secular law being harsh. Not so fast. Most rapists in the West don't go to jail, classic case of 'he said, she said' ensues. Moreover, rape kits are languashing in crime labs due to lack of resources to farther the investigation. Finally, there is a statue of limitation, at least in the US.

Subject: these guys who committed this heinous act should simply be tied to poles, empty an AK-47 magazine on each one of them. Let them become minced meat for the crows. They are not worthy of a Muslim burial.
That doesn't prove your Mo Arab tribal laws are better. 100 lashes is weak punishment in Islam rape is even xalaal given the victims are non Muslims and it was practiced by most of soo called your saxaabaas. At least in all secular laws rape is a crime wether against Muslims or none Muslims something your saxaabaas and holly men never ever pronounced.
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Estranged wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:43 am
X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:02 am " your ignorance of islam balaa balaa" the magic line of all muslims. I know Islam very well i have studied it as a mullah for years. The point isn't the punishment of an apostate or a man who drinks alchol its rather how Islam punishes the former two severely yet apply a lenient punishment on rapist. Its indicative of the Arab culture that understate the savagery of rape.

So shove your sharia up your shit chute. A secular law is far superior and efficient then a pagan Arab customary tribal law.
Seriously? Most rapists get off without a scratch in 'secular societies'. And when they're punished it's rarely even 'harsh'. Brock Turner got 3 months for rape.
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