in westernised/secular somalia will we kill our babies too?

[mcali]

When Somalia got its indipendence in 1960, the whole population was little over 1 million people. In the 70´s we were 3 million. In 1995 it was estimated 6 million.

And now we might be 15 million. The precious resources in Somalia like water and arable land cannot sustain a Somali population above 10 million. Plus the more you have unsustainable population growth, the more it will be difficult as a nation to lift itself out of poverty.

It is simply not logical and sustainable to have a woman give birth to 4-7 children in Somalia.

I support population controll and i hope we can spread condoms and birth pills to every youth in Somalia. Aswell as teach the women the importance of educaion and being able to provide for yourself without a husband. Instead of being given away by parents.

Secular Somalia

It wont ever happen. By the way say hi to abu lahab in hell for me.

Why do you want to say hi to abu lahab?

Since you want to go there just say hi to the people of hell fire for me. Also make sure you take birth control pills your self. We dont want to have your bastard result of homsexual acts kid running around do we.

[Coeus]

I'm going to buy some land in Hong Kong once all the old folks die

Scandinavian countries and Japan are forever screwed because they haven't had enough kids and still refuse to do so. Japan will be up for grabs in 25~ years.

Overpopulation is a myth.

Overpopulation is a myth. Scandinavian countries are doomed. Somalia is better of with 10 children in east household



Absense of logic usually does that to people

There is a wide range of choices between poor family planning and near-psychopathic population control.

2 kids per family is the standard here in Sweden. Tell them about somali soccer team families and they will call that psychopatic

[ModerateMuslim]

dr. dameer, coming from you, no surprise. nothing is too sickening for you to support. from killing babies to gay marriage. nothing.

but is there anything in deen you won't twist? killing unborn babies is harem in all cases. this an ijma. the only argument is the severity of it. some scholars argue it isn't that sever before the stage where unborn baby is soulless. that's the only argument. but it's a faulty argument. using that logic we'd kill your dameer ass whilst you're sleeping, and it wouldn't be that bad.

[union]

And now we might be 15 million. The precious resources in Somalia like water and arable land cannot sustain a Somali population above 10 million. Plus the more you have unsustainable population growth, the more it will be difficult as a nation to lift itself out of poverty.

It is simply not logical and sustainable to have a woman give birth to 4-7 children in Somalia.

I support population controll and i hope we can spread condoms and birth pills to every youth in Somalia. Aswell as teach the women the importance of educaion and being able to provide for yourself without a husband. Instead of being given away by parents.

Secular Somalia

It wont ever happen. By the way say hi to abu lahab in hell for me.

Why do you want to say hi to abu lahab?

Since you want to go there just say hi to the people of hell fire for me. Also make sure you take birth control pills your self. We dont want to have your bastard result of homsexual acts kid running around do we.[/quote]

LOL, you can probably say hi to them yourself when you follow the footsteps of your beloved Sheik Osama

[Based]

2 kids per family is the standard here in Sweden. Tell them about somali soccer team families and they will call that psychopatic

I'm planning on having at least 10 sons.

Reer Based is going to take the country by force in a couple of centuries

[Coeus]

lol Coesus


Abortion should be legal in Somalia based on the principle.
But I don't think Somalia actually needs family planning. Sure, families have loads of kids, but that's because they want to protect against high infant mortality and because it's economically beneficial to have a lot of kids in poor countries like Somalia.

Union

Actually high infant mortality is because of poor health standards. And because of the prevailing mentality in Somalila (more children=more wealth). Instead of focusing on themselves to be better educated and raise their income or know-how. Instead they start big families while themselves being poor. Now this mentality is understandable in rural reer miyi areas in Somalia where they usually are pastoralists. But in urban areas in and outside of Somalia this mentality is damaging. In sweden Somali newcomers only receive benefits while popping out children. Thats complete opposite to the habesha immigrants in Sweden.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

dr. dameer, coming from you, no surprise. nothing is too sickening for you to support. from killing babies to gay marriage. nothing.

but is there anything in deen you won't twist? killing unborn babies is harem in all cases. this an ijma. the only argument is the severity of it. some scholars argue it isn't that sever before the stage where unborn baby is soulless. that's the only argument. but it's a faulty argument. using that logic we'd kill your dameer ass whilst you're sleeping, and it wouldn't be that bad.

look al shabaab suicide bomber where did i say i support abortion??? no i did not say that. i said according ISLAMIC scholars abortion is allowed before 4 months. which means sweden also is allowed abortion before 4.half month. so whats difference????

[Coeus]

2 kids per family is the standard here in Sweden. Tell them about somali soccer team families and they will call that psychopatic

I'm planning on having at least 10 sons.

Reer Based is going to take the country by force in a couple of centuries

I prefer quantity over quality. They will grow up under my watch. And i wil have time for them, unlike fathers of 10 children families.


good luck based

[Beans]

dr. dameer, coming from you, no surprise. nothing is too sickening for you to support. from killing babies to gay marriage. nothing.

but is there anything in deen you won't twist? killing unborn babies is harem in all cases. this an ijma. the only argument is the severity of it. some scholars argue it isn't that sever before the stage where unborn baby is soulless. that's the only argument. but it's a faulty argument. using that logic we'd kill your dameer ass whilst you're sleeping, and it wouldn't be that bad.

look al shabaab suicide bomber where did i say i support abortion??? no i did not say that. i said according ISLAMIC scholars abortion is allowed before 4 months. which means sweden also is allowed abortion before 4.half month. so whats difference????

Where in Islam is abortion allowed?

[ModerateMuslim]

dr. dameer,

you can support anything you want, i don't care. what i'm asking you is there anything in islam you won't twist?

[Alphanumeric]

dr. dameer, coming from you, no surprise. nothing is too sickening for you to support. from killing babies to gay marriage. nothing.

but is there anything in deen you won't twist? killing unborn babies is harem in all cases. this an ijma. the only argument is the severity of it. some scholars argue it isn't that sever before the stage where unborn baby is soulless. that's the only argument. but it's a faulty argument. using that logic we'd kill your dameer ass whilst you're sleeping, and it wouldn't be that bad.

look al shabaab suicide bomber where did i say i support abortion??? no i did not say that. i said according ISLAMIC scholars abortion is allowed before 4 months. which means sweden also is allowed abortion before 4.half month. so whats difference????

Where in Islam is abortion allowed?

Depends on the reason. Usually medical reasons that endanger the life of the mother. Not simply "I don't feel like owning up to my sluttery" or financial state.

[union]

lol Coesus


Abortion should be legal in Somalia based on the principle.
But I don't think Somalia actually needs family planning. Sure, families have loads of kids, but that's because they want to protect against high infant mortality and because it's economically beneficial to have a lot of kids in poor countries like Somalia.

Union

Actually high infant mortality is because of poor health standards. And because of the prevailing mentality in Somalila (more children=more wealth). Instead of focusing on themselves to be better educated and raise their income or know-how. Instead they start big families while themselves being poor. Now this mentality is understandable in rural reer miyi areas in Somalia where they usually are pastoralists. But in urban areas in and outside of Somalia this mentality is damaging. In sweden Somali newcomers only receive benefits while popping out children. Thats complete opposite to the habesha immigrants in Sweden.

Somalis are mostly poor people, and for poor people it is beneficial to have more kids. In the west you get more welfare benefits, and in Somalia you have more kids tending the farm or whatever. Having children stops becoming economically beneficial the more you make, because then you'll have to start paying for private schooling and fancy clothes/games and shit....that's why most native Swedes only have 2 kids instead of "soccer team families".

[DR-YALAXOOW]

according the Views of Four Madhhabs

There is broad acceptance in the major Islamic schools of law on the permissibility of abortion in the first four months of pregnancy. Most of the schools that permit abortion insist that there must be a serious reason for it such as a threat to the mother's life or the probability of giving birth to a deformed or defective child. However, as the Egyptian booklet."(The Arab Republic of Egypt published a booklet called "Islam's Attitude Towards Family Planning.") says: "Jurists of the Shiite Zaidiva believe in the total permissibility of abortion before life is breathed into the fetus, no matter whether there is a justifiable excuse or not." That would be a pure form of what some call "abortion on demand."

The majority of orthodox Muslims (following the Hanafi school) in later centuries, allowed abortion until the end of the four months. According to them, a pregnant woman could have an abortion without her husband's permission, but she should have reasonable grounds for this act. Most of the Maliki jurists (legal scholars) described abortion as completely forbidden. In their view, when the semen settles in the womb, it is expected to develop into a living baby and it should not be disturbed by anyone. According to Ibn Jawziyyah, when the womb has retained the semen, it is not permitted for the husband and wife, or one of them or the master of the slave-wife, to induce an abortion. After ensoulment, however, abortion is prohibited absolutely and is akin to murder

yes more

The Hanafi school (prevalent in Turkey, the Middle East and Central Asia) allows abortions to take place principally until day 120; some jurists restrict this provision to “good cause”, e.g. if the mother is still nursing an infant and fears that her milk may run out during the new pregnancy. In aborting up to day 120, the woman commits a mere moral transgression, not a crime. The Shafi school (dominant in Southeast Asia, southern Arabia, parts of East Africa) allows abortions to be performed up to day 120. For the Maliki school (prevalent in North and Black Africa) an abortion is permissible with the consent of both parents up to day 40; it is no longer allowed after that. For the Hanbali school (predominant in Saudi Arabia and United Arabic Emirates) abortions are principally prohibited from day 40 onward

[Beans]

I know very few conditions when a foetus can be aborted such as if the mother is in danger and in some case if the child was a result of rape but he mentioned it a way to control population.That made me question it Alpha.


Yalaxow,show me under what conditions it is acceptable in Islam.

[mcali]

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Why do you want to say hi to abu lahab?[/quote]

Since you want to go there just say hi to the people of hell fire for me. Also make sure you take birth control pills your self. We dont want to have your bastard result of homsexual acts kid running around do we.[/quote]

LOL, you can probably say hi to them yourself when you follow the footsteps of your beloved Sheik Osama[/quote]

you and darwin should study the different levels of hell fire.