How should Muslims treat Jews and Christians?
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[quote="avowedly-agnostic"]fagash
No god didn't say anything to Mohammed. He was nothing more than an imposter, but I understand what you're getting at, except I'm only trying to clarify the true message of Islam unfiltered by fabrications and glossings over the truth.
Notice, I haven't said anything regarding Islam which isn't true- every comment I've made I've substantiated with textual evidence.[/quote]
Muhammad only heard the voice of the angel Gabriel, who spoke to Muhammad with the word of God. The first message God gave Muhammad was the same message he had given to Abraham in the Old Testament: that there is only one true God, that all other gods are false, and that he (Abraham/Muhammad) must spread the word. From time to time, during the rest of his life, Muhammad received many messages from God, all via Gabriel. These messages revealed many details regarding God's wishes and advice and, eventually, they were written down in the Moslem holy book, the Qur'an. As such, God's revelations to Muhammad form the basis of Islam.
No god didn't say anything to Mohammed. He was nothing more than an imposter, but I understand what you're getting at, except I'm only trying to clarify the true message of Islam unfiltered by fabrications and glossings over the truth.
Notice, I haven't said anything regarding Islam which isn't true- every comment I've made I've substantiated with textual evidence.[/quote]
Muhammad only heard the voice of the angel Gabriel, who spoke to Muhammad with the word of God. The first message God gave Muhammad was the same message he had given to Abraham in the Old Testament: that there is only one true God, that all other gods are false, and that he (Abraham/Muhammad) must spread the word. From time to time, during the rest of his life, Muhammad received many messages from God, all via Gabriel. These messages revealed many details regarding God's wishes and advice and, eventually, they were written down in the Moslem holy book, the Qur'an. As such, God's revelations to Muhammad form the basis of Islam.
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fagash
Having been a daalib al-elm (a student of knowldege) I'm well aquainted with Islam and how it was supposedy revealed. I've studied the seerah of the Prophet along with tafseer, tawhid, fiqh and other fields (though admittedly, the knowledge is slowly and gradually escaping my memory- but I can always fall back on my many Islamic books)
But I don't buy the legend of how Sura al- Alaq was revealed to mohammed in the cave. It's nothing more than folklore and legend.
Having been a daalib al-elm (a student of knowldege) I'm well aquainted with Islam and how it was supposedy revealed. I've studied the seerah of the Prophet along with tafseer, tawhid, fiqh and other fields (though admittedly, the knowledge is slowly and gradually escaping my memory- but I can always fall back on my many Islamic books)
But I don't buy the legend of how Sura al- Alaq was revealed to mohammed in the cave. It's nothing more than folklore and legend.
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indeed, it is
1. Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
2. Created man, out of a leech-like clot:
3. Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
4. He Who taught (the use of) the Pen,-
5. Taught man that which he knew not.
6. Nay, but man doth transgress all bounds,
7. In that he looketh upon himself as self-sufficient.
8. Verily, to thy Lord is the return (of all).
9. Seest thou one who forbids-
10. A votary when he (turns) to pray?
11. Seest thou if he is on (the road of) Guidance?-
12. Or enjoins Righteousness?
13. Seest thou if he denies (Truth) and turns away?
14. Knoweth he not that Allah doth see?
15. Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by the forelock,-
16. A lying, sinful forelock!
17. Then, let him call (for help) to his council (of comrades):
18. We will call on the angels of punishment (to deal with him)!
19. Nay, heed him not: but prostrate in adoration, and bring thyself the closer to Allah)!
1. Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
2. Created man, out of a leech-like clot:
3. Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
4. He Who taught (the use of) the Pen,-
5. Taught man that which he knew not.
6. Nay, but man doth transgress all bounds,
7. In that he looketh upon himself as self-sufficient.
8. Verily, to thy Lord is the return (of all).
9. Seest thou one who forbids-
10. A votary when he (turns) to pray?
11. Seest thou if he is on (the road of) Guidance?-
12. Or enjoins Righteousness?
13. Seest thou if he denies (Truth) and turns away?
14. Knoweth he not that Allah doth see?
15. Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by the forelock,-
16. A lying, sinful forelock!
17. Then, let him call (for help) to his council (of comrades):
18. We will call on the angels of punishment (to deal with him)!
19. Nay, heed him not: but prostrate in adoration, and bring thyself the closer to Allah)!
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The whole story of how that surah was revealed doesn't make much sense. The angel Gabriel descends to the cave (or so the legend goes) and orders an illiterate man to read, and Mohammed replies I'm not able to read, and Gabriel squeezes him to the point where he can't breath, and repeats the command to read (Iqra), Mohammed scared stiff at this point replies the same, yet he's squeezed hard again by this huge powerful angel. This happens a few times more, until the angel fed up of Mohammed's genuine ignorance recites to him Surah al-Alaq.
But the question is, if Mohammed as we're informed in the Quran is illiterate, then why tell him to read? Moreover, since the angel wasn't carrying a book for him to read from, what exactly did the god-sent angel expect him to read? Finally, why squeeze him to the point of suffocation for something which both Allah and the angel knew he was incapable of?
The story is incoherent, full of gaps, and essentially nonsensical.
But the question is, if Mohammed as we're informed in the Quran is illiterate, then why tell him to read? Moreover, since the angel wasn't carrying a book for him to read from, what exactly did the god-sent angel expect him to read? Finally, why squeeze him to the point of suffocation for something which both Allah and the angel knew he was incapable of?
The story is incoherent, full of gaps, and essentially nonsensical.
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I found this at HH girl's link!
"It is not correct that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) advised that we do not greet all the Jews and Christians. Conversely, the Prophet gave us a general rule of greeting people saying: “Greet with salam those you know and those you don’t know.” There is nothing more general than this hadith.
The misconception in the hadith you quoted arises from misunderstanding of the context in which it was said. The hadith talks about one specific tribe (Bani Quraitha), in a particular day because they were at fight with Muslims. Since "Salam" means peace, it did not sound logic to start the people you fight with it.
However, the general rule is to give currency to “salam” with everybody, Muslims or non-Muslims, those you know and those you don’t know. "
"It is not correct that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) advised that we do not greet all the Jews and Christians. Conversely, the Prophet gave us a general rule of greeting people saying: “Greet with salam those you know and those you don’t know.” There is nothing more general than this hadith.
The misconception in the hadith you quoted arises from misunderstanding of the context in which it was said. The hadith talks about one specific tribe (Bani Quraitha), in a particular day because they were at fight with Muslims. Since "Salam" means peace, it did not sound logic to start the people you fight with it.
However, the general rule is to give currency to “salam” with everybody, Muslims or non-Muslims, those you know and those you don’t know. "
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[quote="Galol"]lacag
What kind of question is this?
Muslims have one solution to all problems: kill them. If you are not sure about anything screech allah akabar and chop off something.[/quote]
How do you know? You are not Muslim.
Treat others like you'd want to be treated. Just because they practice another religion, is not your call. They were put on this earth, so that Allah could test them. Just like you. Now, leave them alone, so they can fail their tests.

What kind of question is this?
Muslims have one solution to all problems: kill them. If you are not sure about anything screech allah akabar and chop off something.[/quote]
How do you know? You are not Muslim.
Treat others like you'd want to be treated. Just because they practice another religion, is not your call. They were put on this earth, so that Allah could test them. Just like you. Now, leave them alone, so they can fail their tests.



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