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The Great Toyota War

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This is the first appearance of the technical as we know it, and the chadians used the technical to fokup the Libyan armoured forces, and embarassed the hell out of them.

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A toyota pickup 85 model with a shilka 20 mm anti aircraft gun= classis
enjoy this pieace of history.



http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 83,00.html


Mounted on stallions of steel, desert tribesmen fight on and on

Largely forgotten amid the world's more pressing conflicts is the civil war in the central African nation of Chad. In the nine months since France sent 3,000 troops to back the government of President Hissene Habre against Libyan-supported rebels, the two sides have been largely deadlocked. But the fighting goes on: two weeks ago nine French paratroopers were killed on a road in northeastern Chad. TIME Nairobi Bureau Chief James Wilde spent ten days with the Chad army, traveling by Land-Rover from the capital city of N'Djamena to Sahara outposts near the Libyan border. His report:


Small groups of Toyota desert vehicles, with 106-mm recoilless rifles mounted at the rear, wheel and charge like cavalry in the vastness of the Sahara. Outriders hang from the sides, firing their AK-47s with deadly grace. Very young and therefore very brave, the men of these small fighting units, or escadrons, whip their Toyotas' flanks until the vehicles seem to snort and froth at the bit like fine-blood Arab stallions. The young soldiers move silently, without war cries except for the high-pitched scream of their engines.

These men are part of the first and second regiments of the Chad army, which is fighting a daily game of no-prisoners with the rebels who infiltrate from Libya to the north and Sudan to the east. The enemy also uses escadrons of Toyota vehicles, usually along with a 22-ton Mercedes truck for support. Some of these get through government lines, mine the roads and frighten the local population. When they do engage the army, they usually get the worst of it. In the battlefields of what has come to be called the Great Toyota War, the desert is littered with dead vehicles.

If the war were limited to Toyotas, the army would likely hold the day. But the rebels also have armor, and there are daily incursions by Libyan MiGs, which have to be spooked back into Libyan territory by French Jaguar fighters. Though the number of men involved on the ground is small, the distances are enormous. When a Jaguar chases a Libyan plane away from the army's front line, it must be refueled in flight in order to return to its base at N'Djamena.

Chad is effectively partitioned between the government and the rebels, but Idriss Deby, 27, commander of the Chad army, has no intention of letting things remain that way. Says Deby, a lean, ascetic man with samurai eyes: "Despite all kinds of shortages, we have been able to hold both the Libyan army and the rebels at bay." Nobody knows exactly how many men the Chad army has. The French say 7,000; the Chadians say "many, many." Its best fighters are the Goran, tribesmen from the northern district of Tibetsi, a starkly beautiful area of volcanic massifs, gorges and craters that was known in antiquity as the land where the wind is born. A French officer says that the Goran are still the finest light cavalrymen in the world. But now, he adds, "they are mounted on Toyotas instead of horses."

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Loool , yeah good read.
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they can make tons of money by suing Toyota Cool
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Gurey,

Techniko were in use during the Lebanese civil war in 1980.
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the chad war was in the mid 70's

so they would be the first technicals.


but if you want to get more precise.

the long range desert recon of the british in Libya during world war 2 , the first SAS
were the first to use the technical.
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Speaking of SAS, I think they have the tighter technical out there with the Land rover{ for desert environment of course}
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land cruisers, wranglers , G-class Mercedesand land rovers along with land rovers have the best suspension systems for offroading.


ive driven the wrangler and cherokee, and i ude a Prado for offroading
i can confirm Land cruiser is excellent for offroading.
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Yeah you're right the mercedes vehicules are not bad either. The Djibouti " special squadron" police had a couple of those back in the day. The French have taken the Mercedes design { frame} and put a peugeot motor instead for their P4.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/B ... 006_01.JPG
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interesting article..........never heard of the Goran tribesman before...they seem very rugged

why is Libya involved in every major civil war in Africa? what are their intentions/motives
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if you want to see the best offroad armoured vehicles,
they are from south Africa

here is one beauty


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RG-31

the Nyla/Okapi

the americans in Iraq were embarrased to find out that Mercenaries and Aid agencies that bought this , where better protected than thier soldiers in Hummers.

this shit can drive straight through a minefield and survive, and have IEDs for breakfast
and it looks sexier than a hummer
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[quote="Gedo_Boy"]interesting article..........never heard of the Goran tribesman before...they seem very rugged

why is Libya involved in every major civil war in Africa? what are their intentions/motives[/quote]


qadhaffi got foked in chad.

he tried to interfere in the civil war and also get some territory the azou strip.

but in someways the interferance was good, the french handed over power to the christian minority in the south, and the muslims needed arms and support, but they didnt want an arab giving them orders.
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Yeah gurey , check these out .
http://www.panhard.fr/anglais/index.htm
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gurey25,

so what is the power structure in Chad now btwn Muslims/Christians and what motive did hte French have?
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[quote="Ina Baxar"]Yeah gurey , check these out .
http://www.panhard.fr/anglais/index.htm[/quote]

Damn i didnt know panhard was still in business

the ERC-90 looks like a development of the old AML 6 wheels though.

the 90 i think means 90mm gun, probably low pressure but i think it will be good against other IFV and APC
against tanks i think it can only work againts a T-55 varient but at short range.

the VBL look nasty as well.

ideal for somali conditions, but i think any technical armed with a shilka anti -aricraft gun will fok it up from long range.
armour is too sift.
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[quote="Gedo_Boy"]gurey25,

so what is the power structure in Chad now btwn Muslims/Christians and what motive did hte French have?[/quote]


power is 100% in muslim hands these days,
its now a dictatorship and they do a good job pretending to be nice with elections and all.

hey have your heard that Hussien Habre escaped to somalia when he was ousted in a coup and
claimed his tribe was originaly Garre , that immigrated north in Sudan and chad during the wars of Axmed gurey?
i have a uncle who met him xamar back in the days.
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