Ciise Madoobe Dir?

[James Dahl]

I don't understand the clan structure of Ciise Madoobe Dir, so what I've heard is that there are the three subclans who are born Ciise Madoobe Dir and three subclans who became Ciise Madoobe Dir, but what were the three who became Ciise Madoobe before they were Ciise Madoobe?

I am very confused...

[guryasame]

The Wardiiq especially the reer ugaas from whom the ugaas is selected are originally habar jeclo, yessif. The line of the ugaas goes back to none other than sheekh yusuf al-kowneyn, the elders and the culuma of the reer ugaas claim to be descendant from sheekh yusuf al-kowneyn, in otherwords, they believe that yessif and yusuf al-kowneyn to be the same person and I was personally informed of this fact by one of their most knowledgeable elders and pious sheekhs.

"Finally a more equitable type of alliance occurs in the 'Iise clan. The clan as a whole is divided into the Saddehda Iise and the Saddehda soo raaca. There are six principal apical ancestors in the clan genealogy; Walaaldoon, Hoolle, Ileeye, Hoorroone, Uurweyne, and Wardiiq...In particular the Wardiiq, in whose line the office of Sultan (ugaas) for the clan descends, are admitted by some 'Iise to be of Habar Tol Ja'lo origin. And the Iise themselves make the distinction between those who are "iise by birth (dhalad) and those Adoption even though they all act corporately as 'Iise by adoption even though they all act corporately as 'Iise..." I.M. Lewis et al.

In older original work i.m. lewis mentions the reer ugaas to be a branch of specifically the Yessif section of HJ. The 'Iise Ugaas and 'Iise Xeer or law, are considered by Somalis to original and unadelterated institutions, and often the office of the Iise Ugaas served as the last resort for arbitration of difficult social and political issues from time to time that arose even among non-isse clan families. In more recent times with the advent of the djibouti nation-state practically all of the authority and clout has been eroded, the status of the ugaas is fraction of its original importance...there is no doubt that the institution is one of the last vestiges of the Ifat/Adal state of whose foundation was as i mentioned the remnants of the house of al-najashi and the immigration of sheikh Ishaq ra, his illustrious descendants among whom the moses-like figure Sheikh yessif al-kowneyn ra in particular was a central pillar, but neither the first, the only nor the last.

[James Dahl]

This is very interesting, as the royal family of Adal was also descended from Yusuf al-Kawnayn, however Yusuf is not a descendant of Sheikh Isaaq, though the two men are closely related.

What do you know about al-Najashi? He seems a very mysterious figure, and I have heard many theories to explain his title, which implies that he was a royal Axumite prince.

Also, do you know the origin of the Hoorroone Ciise and Uurweyne Ciise? The mother of Maxamed Harti and Axmed Harti was Hoorroone or so I've heard.

[guryasame]

James:

Do you have any information on Sheikh Yessif Al-Kowneyn outside of the horn of Africa, as far as we know he is a Somali Sayid and he has left no descendents except the reer ugaas who claim direct descend who are a branch of the yessif hj subclan, to be honest I did not what to make of the information I had collected until u posted his lineage on this forum, I now wish I pressed for more details, I wrongly assumed because of the the hundreds of stone circle shrines and clear evidence of remains or ruins of what was obviously a setllement and the very close proximity of other sites of historical interest like the laas geel that the site was pre-islamic, but the couple of excavations of stone circle shrines in the vicinity of the sheikh had already been showed by carbon-dating to be only several centuries old and thus that these particular burial methods were being practiced until very recently, although this is clear continuity of ancient cushitic megalithic culture nothing was found inconsistent with Islamic burial practices. I have pictures of the site, including what seem to be buildings buried underneath, I think there is a whole civilized settlement buried underneath the site. This is why I hope that excavation of the site under the auspices of an enlightened and truly sovereign Somaliland government will bring to light alot of post-islamic history as well as more ancient history of the area. As for sheikh yusuf al-kowneyn more research is needed as well, what I have expounded I am convinced will bear fruit, the legends surrounding him as the father of an Islamic renaissance of the horn, a fuller oral account of clan like the reer ugaas, old manuscript records, not just some pieces like the lineage copied by successive private hands and of clear questionable fidelity, along with archeological work will give the unbiased real history.

Regarding Al-Najashi he is the last axumite or jacobite priest-king, that house eventually joined into the ahlul bayt... u can take that to the bank for now if u wish, until full clear record emerges in writing.

[sheekh-Farax-zero]

this thread belongs to the clan section

[djibsomali]

what a load of crap and bulsh1ts!!

It is like learning the history of abgaal and ancestry from from a pigmey in congo!!
Here we have two individual who do not have any clue and have never set foot in Djibouti or awdal and trying to debate about its history.

Man I love reading the stage of mental retardness of some us in this world

[MALMAHA]

this thread belongs to the clan section

this is djiboti shit man so xarka iskaga badhe. no holes bared

[SahanGalbeed]

The cise believe they descend from a relative of skeikh Isaxaq , not dir!

[Ducaysane_87]

The cise believe they descend from a relative of skeikh Isaxaq , not dir!

Ma huubta

[Heritage!]

The Wardiiq especially the reer ugaas from whom the ugaas is selected are originally habar jeclo, yessif. The line of the ugaas goes back to none other than sheekh yusuf al-kowneyn, the elders and the culuma of the reer ugaas claim to be descendant from sheekh yusuf al-kowneyn, in otherwords, they believe that yessif and yusuf al-kowneyn to be the same person and I was personally informed of this fact by one of their most knowledgeable elders and pious sheekhs.

"Finally a more equitable type of alliance occurs in the 'Iise clan. The clan as a whole is divided into the Saddehda Iise and the Saddehda soo raaca. There are six principal apical ancestors in the clan genealogy; Walaaldoon, Hoolle, Ileeye, Hoorroone, Uurweyne, and Wardiiq...In particular the Wardiiq, in whose line the office of Sultan (ugaas) for the clan descends, are admitted by some 'Iise to be of Habar Tol Ja'lo origin. And the Iise themselves make the distinction between those who are "iise by birth (dhalad) and those Adoption even though they all act corporately as 'Iise by adoption even though they all act corporately as 'Iise..." I.M. Lewis et al.

In older original work i.m. lewis mentions the reer ugaas to be a branch of specifically the Yessif section of HJ. The 'Iise Ugaas and 'Iise Xeer or law, are considered by Somalis to original and unadelterated institutions, and often the office of the Iise Ugaas served as the last resort for arbitration of difficult social and political issues from time to time that arose even among non-isse clan families. In more recent times with the advent of the djibouti nation-state practically all of the authority and clout has been eroded, the status of the ugaas is fraction of its original importance...there is no doubt that the institution is one of the last vestiges of the Ifat/Adal state of whose foundation was as i mentioned the remnants of the house of al-najashi and the immigration of sheikh Ishaq ra, his illustrious descendants among whom the moses-like figure Sheikh yessif al-kowneyn ra in particular was a central pillar, but neither the first, the only nor the last.

hi there!
I have never heard that the Ogass Family has roots in Isaaq. I do not know where Lewis got the idea but this is totally rediculous. There is a Somali myth which claims Ciise and Isaaq were brothers. However their family trees end with SHIMBIRO CEEL KU JIRA JIRIQJIRIQ and LABO QAW DHEXDOOD QALDHAW QALDHAW! respectively. The question is why did their forefathers hide or omitted the family tree before CIISE or ISAAQ?
I have no answer for this but I think they were afraid of someone...let us say maybe they were in a hostile region...
I believe they had Jewish origin because when you read deeply the Issa clan structure and how their land is divided (12 tribes and 12 valleys or regions)you find that it refers somehow to the Sons of Jacob in the Bible.

[James Dahl]

Qaldaw?

Interesting, can you tell me more?

[Heritage!]

Qaldaw?

Interesting, can you tell me more?

"Shimbiro ceel kura jiriq-jiriq" means "Birds are singing in a well!" or "Birds often make noise when they are in a well to drink"
this is to where the Issa Family Tree ends. We don't have written history to know why was the reason behind this but there are some oral folktales...etc that may give us clues and hints for their origin. their Nomads don't go beyond that statement they teach their children all the names of their grand/great-fathers stating maybe from 20 to 26 names.
"Shimbiro ceel ku jira jiriq-jiriq" refers to the history of Joseph, when his brothers threw him in a well.

[James Dahl]

Well I know that one branch of the Adal subsection of Afars claims a connection with Ciise.

[Heritage!]

Well I know that one branch of the Adal subsection of Afars claims a connection with Ciise.

I think you refer to the forktale of Hadhamaaxis(Haxxamaacis in Afar!). If this is the case, it seems someone came up with that because there has been a very long rivalry and animosity between the two ethnic groups for they usually disputed on cattle, water and pasture.
Otherwise, you can tell me what sort of connection you talk about.

[James Dahl]

I'm not sure of the details, I don't really know Afar genealogy very well