The Deteriorating Relationship between Somalia and Kenya - s

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somalicurrentToday, Somalia has no influence on its own territorial affairs let alone over regional and international affairs. It's now considered a political non-entity. In fact, many Somali nationals, academics, and experts argue convincingly that Somalia is not ...

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[Khalid Ali]

Thats fantastic great news

[Even123]

Thats fantastic great news

care to explain so, on why?

[Khalid Ali]

Thats fantastic great news

care to explain so, on why?

When ever the Kikuyu have an issue with the Mogadishu government they feel and strengthen political and diplomatic ties with Somaliland government So if Mogadishu and Nairobi have a political rift . Hargeysa and nairobi form closer ties , kenya is an important country in the region specially with in the IGAD.

[Substance]

Thats fantastic great news

care to explain so, on why?

Because he hates Somalia progress, have you seen how he supports president Hassan? He knows that he is useless and bring more diaster to Somalia as the writer in the article writes.
Even you are a smart lad, we should reject Kenya but also weak useless politican like Hassan sheikh.

is a clear indication that the current administration in Somalia lacks governmental responsibility, clear leadership guidance, and the technical expertise to govern well.

[LightAtNight]

Qaldaan treachery is revolting

[Even123]

Thats fantastic great news

care to explain so, on why?

When ever the Kikuyu have an issue with the Mogadishu government they feel and strengthen political and diplomatic ties with Somaliland government So if Mogadishu and Nairobi have a political rift . Hargeysa and nairobi form closer ties , kenya is an important country in the region specially with in the IGAD.

For a moment there, i thought your were going to say something pensive that many of us had, but all in all your political vision is on this matter is something to be laughed at, if you really are serious on what your saying then god help you and alike,......so sxb wake me up when you reach the political maturity of our age.

[Even123]

Brother Substance, if only you knew about Hassan you would have said otherwise, Somalia since the P/Hassan and his team came have moved huge step forward.

P/hassan and team took two stratagem to fix Somalia, the 1st stratagem which was adopted in the first 16 months failed, thus now they have adopted the 2nd stratagem which (revolves on nationalism) greatly succeeded thus we see the many positive signs that occurring now, like IGAD soon to be replaced, new Currency to be adapted from Raas Kamboni to Zeila, Air space to be Controlled by SFG, new constitution (that talks about regions boundary, oil, tax, and many centralist idea's) to be approved and adopted , Saudi arabia and allied announcing a aid summit for Somalia, USA announcing their support on Centalist United Somalia and The opening of their embassy in Xamar.

According to Economist report: there are limits to statehood in Somaliland; Sources close to Somalia’s government say that it is committed to maintaining a unified nation. All public signals from Mogadishu point in the same direction. Somalia wants Somaliland to adopt its planned replacement currency, and is attempting to exercise control over the territory’s airspace. It has also contested the legality of Somaliland handing out oil licenses, saying that right lies with the federal government. A new draft constitution openly lays claim to Somaliland.

[Khalid Ali]

My political vision consists of the interest of Somaliland its interest and that of its people i put that before anything else. A rift between kenya and Somalia is always good , what were you expecting i would say

[Substance]

Bro we shall see.

[Khalid Ali]

Thats fantastic great news

care to explain so, on why?

Because he hates Somalia progress, have you seen how he supports president Hassan? He knows that he is useless and bring more diaster to Somalia as the writer in the article writes.
Even you are a smart lad, we should reject Kenya but also weak useless politican like Hassan sheikh.

is a clear indication that the current administration in Somalia lacks governmental responsibility, clear leadership guidance, and the technical expertise to govern well.

Xassan is not a bad leader , i dont hate Somalia progress i just love Somaliland more i wish Somalia allot of progress i believe president xassan is doing a good job he is the awaited Hawiye messiah , he is rebuilding Somalias army he is gaining more diplomatic leverage and Embassies are opening up in Mogadishu including that of the US ,and along the road he is making sure his clan become more superior politically and geographically and he helps them to gain more Land, to broaden the interest of the Hawiyes in Somalia. Darood hate xassan sheikh because he has ignored Garowe and he placed Kismayo under his Jurisdiction

[Khalid Ali]

IGAD—and particularly Kenya and Ethiopia—are now the principal decision makers on Somali policies and have more influence on Somali affairs than does the country’s Mogadishu-based Federal Government (FG). Many experts argue that Kenya and Ethiopia are united to micromanage Somali affairs. The argument that Kenya and Ethiopia are collaborating to prevent stronger, more stable and democratic governance in Somalia is not very helpful. Both Kenya and Ethiopia, like all nations, have political, economic, and security interests, and the countries have directed their focus, attention, and resources toward how to further those national interests. Kenya’s strategic, economic, and security interests are not necessarily in line with Ethiopia’s and may often be in conflict. Each is constantly working hard to pursue and defend its interests and is willing to pay a huge price in terms sacrifice, and patience. Both Kenya and Ethiopia’s interests are well known and clear; what is unknown so far is Somalia’s own national interest.

This part is very important the other issue is that Somalis dont understand that Kenyas was neutral in the past but now its taking side this will create conflict with Mogadishu where as Ethiopia tries to keep Mogadishu as a friend Kenya differs there

Unfortunately, Kenya is no longer perceived as neutral with regard to Somali national affairs. It’s seen as a neighboring country that wants to fuel the problems and challenges facing Somalia, with an aim of eventually seizing parts of Somalia. Feeding into this perception, Kenya has engineered the false maritime dispute claim that was overwhelmingly rejected by the Somali parliament in 2009. After that unsuccessful effort, Kenya changed its strategy and sent its troops to Somalia unilaterally and without the consent of the Somali government. In the end, negotiations took place that agreed to include Kenyan troops in an AMISOM mission in Somalia to legitimize Kenya’s presence in the country.

[thegoodshepherd]

he placed Kismayo under his Jurisdiction

Kismayo is under The Jubaland Adminstration led by Mudane Ahmad Islaam Madobe. Do you know Madoobe refused to let HSM's envoy land at Kismayo Airport??
HSM lost kismayo for the federal gov, and both Jubas and Gedo. Mudane Madobe has figured out how to play the federalism game, and was able to bring in the International community to arbitrate the Jubaland problem. Kismayo, A Darood city, will never be ruled from xamar, a hawiye city. That ship has sailed hawiye is better off trying to take cities like marka from Biimaal and Barava from bravaneese. Jubaland and Puntland will in the future be part of Somalia, but in name only. We will wave the Somali flag and sing "somaliyey toosoo" but that is just to keep up pretenses. What scares Hawiye the most is Kismayo becoming a complete alternative for all Darood, business wise and politically. It is the port of the richest state in Somalia, and there are no hutus there

[LightAtNight]

he placed Kismayo under his Jurisdiction

Kismayo is under The Jubaland Adminstration led by Mudane Ahmad Islaam Madobe. Do you know Madoobe refused to let HSM's envoy land at Kismayo Airport??
HSM lost kismayo for the federal gov, and both Jubas and Gedo. Mudane Madobe has figured out how to play the federalism game, and was able to bring in the International community to arbitrate the Jubaland problem. Kismayo, A Darood city, will never be ruled from xamar, a hawiye city. That ship has sailed hawiye is better off trying to take cities like marka from Biimaal and Barava from bravaneese. Jubaland and Puntland will in the future be part of Somalia, but in name only. We will wave the Somali flag and sing "somaliyey toosoo" but that is just to keep up pretenses. What scares Hawiye the most is Kismayo becoming a complete alternative for all Darood, business wise and politically. It is the port of the richest state in Somalia, and there are no hutus there

ilaahi ka cabso ee iskudirka iska daaf. ogow in aad ka jawaabeesid oo na lagaa goynaayo falalkaa kudaqmeysid. Umad muslimeen ah maxadaxa ha isku galinin waryaa hadoo imaan qalbigaada kujiro.

[Khalid Ali]

Stop lying there is no Jubba land there is a jubba state ,, and the Ethiopians are the guarantors the agreement stands but the JUBBA ADMIN comes under the jurisdiction of the Somali government , Jubbaland is not an autonomous state, from a legal point of view Jubba state has conceded allot of points , the only that remains in the Kismayo admin is the Kenyans..