Amazing how ignorant "smart people" are

[FAH1223]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5882860

It's interesting how some people can be so smart and yet so ignorant. To make a conjecture that science will lead us to a theory of everything is as much a belief as that of the young child who thinks the tooth fairy lead to the money under her pillow. When compared to the eternal possibility of possible iterations of everything which means that our current state of knowledge is a pindrop in an ever-ending ocean, we lack any sound evidence to inform us as to any general trend of scientific knowledge that will lead to an absolute knowledge in all fields.

Ironically, proponents of scientism are concerned with the material yet attempt to convince us that their theory will explain the obviously immaterial, including mind-constructs like Justice, Freedom, Safety, Virtue, Pain, etc.
It also presumes that human beings are mechanistic, the sum parts of their bodily functions. This poses serious points or reflection for any moral and justice system. Each individual, being merely the composite of natural and social factors can be predetermined (with the theory of everything) to be a criminal, etc. - or so the logical conclusion of this singularity would imply. Such deterministic fatalism also signals a lack of free will. In essence: you are not you. You are not unique being with individuality and substance inimitable. Rather, you are nothing but a product of material factors outside your own. You should not be held accountable for your actions since your nature and environment, factors beyond your Will (if you even have one), were the impetus for said actions.

The ancients had at least one thing right: mankind's hubris always leads to its own destruction. We wish to sit atop Mount Olympus and judge for ourselves, yet we may be surprised when we ascend the mount and find ourselves gazing yet again at an insurmountable peak where true divinity reigns.

[LMFAOO]

Stephan has a big ego. His ego is talking. Somewhere in his heart he knows that god exist.

[visious]

You are right, humans have very limited knowledge of the Universe. even our own oceans are 95% not explored yet but I am 100% certain that all the theistic religion in this world is wrong and we will not find our true cause and the answer to the universe unless we drop these midieval fictions.

[EvolSyawla]

"To make a conjecture that science will lead us to a theory of everything is as much a belief as that of the young child who thinks the tooth fairy lead to the money under her pillow."

I was just watching a documentary about this, what a coincidence. Describing how string theory and big bang theory failed in the search for the 'theory of everything'. They ended up with a theory about an 11th dimension, which led to a conversation about parallel universes lol

I am not knocking it, but I will watch some more about it. I agree though, that there is no theory of 'everything', unless they're coming to the conclusion that JUST MAYBE, Allah had something to do with it

[FAH1223]

You are right, humans have very limited knowledge of the Universe. even our own oceans are 95% not explored yet but I am 100% certain that all the theistic religion in this world is wrong and we will not find our true cause and the answer to the universe unless we drop these midieval fictions.

Your arrogance and pride lead you to not believe in the creator. It's obvious.

You're concerned with the material.

Religion and science are not incompatible. And the claim that we need to eliminate religion to know everything is another logical fallacy and sign of arrogance that humans always have all the answers when in reality we probably never will because the universe is so vast.

Seperating knowledge of religion and secular values is what happened in the West. It is a very strange part of Muslim history because it was the opposite. Both secular and religious knowledge were taught in the same setting. The great scholars were scientists, philosophers, etc

The legacy of colonialism and importing European thought to the rest of the world has conditioned people like you to think in this matter. Even these terrorist groups like da3esh, Al Shabaab, etc think like this.

It is very ironic.

[visious]

You are right, humans have very limited knowledge of the Universe. even our own oceans are 95% not explored yet but I am 100% certain that all the theistic religion in this world is wrong and we will not find our true cause and the answer to the universe unless we drop these midieval fictions.

Your arrogance and pride lead you to not believe in the creator. It's obvious.

You're concerned with the material.

Religion and science are not incompatible. And the claim that we need to eliminate religion to know everything is another logical fallacy and sign of arrogance that humans always have all the answers when in reality we probably never will because the universe is so vast.

Seperating knowledge of religion and secular values is what happened in the West. It is a very strange part of Muslim history because it was the opposite. Both secular and religious knowledge were taught in the same setting. The great scholars were scientists, philosophers, etc

The legacy of colonialism and importing European thought to the rest of the world has conditioned people like you to think in this matter. Even these terrorist groups like da3esh, Al Shabaab, etc think like this.

It is very ironic.

NO! you got it all wrong. it is not about arrogance or anything like that It's about fact and fiction. The things that exist can be detected by my senses it's simple as that. And yes I am concerned with the material because technically everything real is made up of atoms, No one doubts the existance of the sun right? what dumbass would do that. The sun is up there big ass yellow star everyone can see what it does but you have to ask yourself why anyone would doubt God and not the sun and you'll know why I stopped believing in "God"

You're right dropping religion will not give us all answers to the universe but It will take us one step further because people won't be scared of going to hell for accepting scientific facts that do not agree with their religion. there will be more scientists and more brains to working together.

Also religion and Science can never be compatible. Religion is what made billions of people still believe that the earth is flat and the sun goes around the earth. Religion is also what makes billions think that a woman was created from a man when it's scientifically the opposite.

I didn't say that a creator of the universe wouldn't exist. Maybe something created all the shit we see but The Abrahamic God, Krishna, Buddha, Zeus, Hermes, Waaq, Enga. etc is all the same ancient fiction used by the past people to explain stuff they don't know like rain or snow or oceans etc.

You can test Allah today if you want and see if He truly exists but Allah cannot be questioned , tested or doubted , anyone who questions will go to hell according to Islam so you are forced to keep believing. That is exactly how Islam or any religion survived this long.

[FAH1223]

NO! you got it all wrong. it is not about arrogance or anything like that It's about fact and fiction. The things that exist can be detected by my senses it's simple as that. And yes I am concerned with the material because technically everything real is made up of atoms, No one doubts the existance of the sun right? what dumbass would do that. The sun is up there big ass yellow star everyone can see what it does but you have to ask yourself why anyone would doubt God and not the sun and you'll know why I stopped believing in "God"

You're right dropping religion will not give us all answers to the universe but It will take us one step further because people won't be scared of going to hell for accepting scientific facts that do not agree with their religion. there will be more scientists and more brains to working together.

Also religion and Science can never be compatible. Religion is what made billions of people still believe that the earth is flat and the sun goes around the earth. Religion is also what makes billions think that a woman was created from a man when it's scientifically the opposite.

I didn't say that a creator of the universe wouldn't exist. Maybe something created all the shit we see but The Abrahamic God, Krishna, Buddha, Zeus, Hermes, Waaq, Enga. etc is all the same ancient fiction used by the past people to explain stuff they don't know like rain or snow or oceans etc.

You can test Allah today if you want and see if He truly exists but Allah cannot be questioned , tested or doubted , anyone who questions will go to hell according to Islam so you are forced to keep believing. That is exactly how Islam or any religion survived this long.

Once again, you're talking about the WESTERN/CHRISTIAN experience of the last few hundred years.

People in the past did not find a conflict between secular and religious, the west did and they dealt with the problems of Christianity and modernity by rejecting religion and limiting the power of the church.Once they did that they progressed. They then conquered our lands and then our minds and exported their reasoning and thinking to us.

For example, Al Khawarizmi was studying the science of maths, he was also a xaafid Qur'an like all Muslims scholars and men of science and he also studied hadith and tafsir.. The concept of secular knowledge and religious knowledge did not exist in Islam it is a totally alien product.

And plenty of Muslim scholars and the Qur'an itself hints at the world being round... any references of flatness is referenced to its surface

But anyway, back to the material. You became an atheist because you can't see God. Well, friend, you can see the sun but can you look at it without going blind?

The reason I ask that is One can compare the atheist to a man who is born blind and refuses to acknowledge the existence of light because he cannot perceive light. This blind man's very existence depends on light, yet his inability to perceive it allows him to deny what is so obvious to the sighted. No amount of rational argument, evidence, facts and proof will convince him because he has limited himself to trusting in his faulty perception. To expand on this example, the human being is incapable of perceiving reality in its entirety. For instance, we must rely on the opinions of theoreticians to understand what our limited perceptions cannot perceive as atoms, neutrons, protons, and the mysterious properties of matter and energy which quantum physics explores. The opinions of these theoreticians are often accepted without question, because their theories seem to explain the nature of the universe that we can perceive. So, science divides the universe into the 'seen' (perceptible) and the 'unseen' (imperceptible) in order to account for existence and substance.

Islam has stated the case for the imperceptible universe long before Western theoreticians offered their ideas on the subject. Islam explains that both the perceptible and the imperceptible universe were created in one act. Q 21:30: "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?"

From Surah ArRahman, we know that the heavens are divided into one perceived universe and 6 imperceptible universes or heavens. In other words the perceptible and the imperceptible are different states of the same substance/essence; the imperceptible being progressively more refined as it moves away from the perceptible. Isn't that what quantum physics is now discovering? In Islam, the ultimate imperception is the uncaused cause or Allah who is totally removed from the creation because He caused creation and, therefore, is not part of it. Allah is the ultimate reality, the ultimate refinement and the ultimate truth. Quran has promoted the information regarding the perceptible and the imperceptible states of existence for 1400 years. If we live long enough and are really patient, maybe the world of science will conclude what Muslims have known for a millennium and a half.

[visious]

Okay, I read that but
I feel like there's a misunderstanding between me and you here sxb. My advice is just keep researching stuff and make sure you get satisfying answers and I'll do the same too. these long debates on religion never work or help anyone

[afisoone]

When I learned Charles Darwin was mentally ill and he was doing writing material for 10 years to comfort himself, That is when I quit all science. Whoever thinks Darwin was 100% brain wise, then he/she is a threat to our society as 21st century.