muslim dilemma: consequence of relinquishing the claim of universal empire

[Typhoon]

monopoly on the "legitimate" use of force is the basis of all states, whether contemporary or historical

decentralisation of violence and the subversion of authority in the muslim world, is one of the prime tactic deployed against the muslim world.

I am a universal imperialist like modern western liberal imperialist and anybody that is well read knows that as soon as you give up universal claim you will be relegated to history.
the west is centralising and aspiring for universal rule with the occident as the core of this power structure while the muslims world is being fragmanted and soon you will see muslims advocating for devolution which it should be called by it proper name balkanization or bantusation

Edward gibbon noted that in his study of rome, that as soon as rome became content with its borders they became inward and the decline started
rome gave up universal claim and abjurement has contributed to the the fragmentation and eventual decline and fall of Rome, so I will look at other empires that relinquished the universalistic claim and the relations between monopoly on the use of force and universalistic aspiration

Henry kissinger noted that the Hapsburg Catholics(catholic means universal) had a universal claim and they saw their quest for mastery of europe as a stepping stone towards global mastery but it was the invention of the concept of balance of power that sowed the seed of Hapsburg decline; personally i think it started when the pope crowed Charlemagne as, Imperator Romanorum, it looked universalistic but in reality it was schism against byzantium but it had unintended consequence, for it empowered the secular ruler over the authority of the church( Lumen gentium)



the Muslim world when it became content with its borders and recognized the frontiers of the islamic world as legitimate, and when the muslim caliph was seen as equal to other rulers, is when we went astray.
how can allahs khalifa on earth be equal to usurping kuffar?

when the muslims acknowledged the claim of others, as equal khalifa, was when the muslim authority declined due to the supremacy of the intellect over the command of the revelation.
Ibn Taymiyyah response to al-Razi is to be noted as good critique and shows the intellectual foundation of muslims deviations, I believe Ibn Taymiyyah saw it correctly albeit in a different context from the subject at hand



the Chinese throughout history had a universal claim under what they called all under heaven.
the Chinese emperor saw himself as the ruler of all and believed that no other ruler had his status, the chinese called european and Asian ambassadors, "tribute mission, " who were acknowledging the authority and supremacy of the son of heaven and his celestial court

the Chinese forced European " ambassadors" to do infamous kowtow, in essence, bow down and submit in front of the Chinese emperor.
the Chinese lost their universal claim because they lost monopoly on the use of force and the Europeans forced the chinese to relinquish their universal claim, and acknowledge sovereign equality, and that is how china became just another state,equal to Belgium

So my conclusion is, when you aspire for universal empire you monopolises the use of force as prerequisite to universal rule, and when your authority is challenged, the first thing your opponent wants, is to limit your monopoly on the use of force and that will fragment your authority and diminish your universalistic claim which is the aim of those that have universal claim themselves.

The only three believes systems that have universalistic claims are: islamic monotheism, Zio-Judaism/zio-Christianity and western Liberalism
a complementary thread
viewtopic.php?f=250&t=329302&hilit=zionism

Your aim must be to take All-under-Heaven intact. Thus your troops are not worn out and your gains will be complete. This is the art of offensive strategy."

—Sun Tzu, The Art of War, Chapter III, Line 11

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herr Eaglehawk is chair of Institute for Primate and irir samaale Research he is the author of many book on hawiye, isaaq raxanwayn and what he calls yamyam ito qadadwayn.

Herr Eaglehawk won the Reinhard Heydrich award for service to humanity and the prestious israeli award the Ze’ev Jabotinsky people to people award

[Typhoon]

i forgot to add, that zio-Judaism has universal aspiration.
Zionist academic presented a solution on the prohibition of mass migration to eretz yisrael.
the reluctant orthodox Jewish community had misgivings about breaking prohibition of mass migration
what the Zionist said is, that they were not rejecting the commands and that only the messiah can re-establish the kingdom of david in the land of israel but that they are laying the ground work for the coming of the messiah

the same logic was used by ayatollah khomeini in his work Vilayat-e Faqih(Providence of the Jurist)
shias before khomeini were prohibited by theology for assuming power in the absence of the mahdi( the contribution of khomeini in shias is most notoable apart from that he doesn`t rank among great shia scholars)

in essence khomeini replaces the concept of messiah that is dear to jews with the mahdi, but the intellectual reasoning is the same between khomenei and Zionist academics.

[Grant]

Lengthy hogwashings!

http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

"THE LAND OF ISRAEL IN QUR'ANIC EXEGESIS

The fundamentalist Muslim program to use Islam as an instrument for political warfare against Jews finds a major obstacle in the Qur'an itself. Both the Bible and the Qur'an state quite clearly that the right of the Israelites to the Land of Israel does not depend on conquest and colonization. This right flows from the will of almighty God Himself.

Both the Jewish and Islamic Scriptures teach that God, through His chosen servant Moses, decided to free the offspring of Jacob from slavery in Egypt and to constitute them as heirs of the Promised Land. Whoever claims that Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel is something new and rooted in human politics denies divine revelation and divine prophecy as explicitly expressed in our Holy Books (the Bible and Koran).

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]



The goal of Zionism applies only to the ancient Jewish homeland. There is nothing universal about it.

http://jewishmag.com/89mag/zionism/zionism.htm

Gibbon gives many reasons for the decline and fall of Rome. The fact is the Germans became ascendant after the Battle of the Teutoberg forest. Rome was immediately forced to abandon England (Britannia) and the Western Empire was eventually replaced by the Holy Roman Empire, which was German. The Eastern Empire was weakened during the Crusades and fell to a Turkish invasion.

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/bat ... inople.htm

[Typhoon]

greeting son of anglo saxon conquerers of the new world and overlord of african slaves and cousin of german auschwitz guards

grant

Edward gibbon gives many reason but, I took some points that are relevant to my topic, which is the need for universal outlook rather than regional sectarian or tribal.

My point is we have to transcend beyond the usual identity politics appeal to the better angels of our nature.
in-order to do that, we Muslims need to have, "well organised unitary states,"that are knitted together by laws and Islamic ethics and a common security arrangement and common world view and it’s in this world view that will restore our universalistic heritage

I believe it’s within the reach my life time to have the basic building block but the problem is we have lack of institution building expertise, so a whole say importation is need(secular non religious and non idealogical institutions) it would be easy to liberate most muslim land even with western intervention(one thing the world has learned is that great powers always lose long foreign wars and that they bleed slow death with thousand cuts and eventually retreat and give up the essential requirement for maintaining a global empire, which is, military success in theatre of war and financial prudence at home)

I believe islamist are good old European fascist, the problem in the muslim world is; we lack understanding of the history of ideas, especially European ideas.

Anybody that is familiar with the work of the great jewish political theorist Hannah Arendt would see that islamist are totalitarianist
I believe they should be fought and the islamist use of anti Semitism proves Hannah Arendt point

Power and violence are opposites; where the one rules absolutely, the other is absent. Violence appears where power is in jeopardy, but left to its own course it ends in power's disappearance.
Hannah Arendt

totalitarianism has always been absent from the islamic world, the islamic world was more or less like Jefferson agrarian Democracy, it was not only farmers but mixture of nomads farmers merchant and guilds that governed themself but the basic principle of Jefferson applied(democracy as in reaching solutions by consensus and the people governing themselves through that consensus)


I believe muslims need to start think on a vast scale and aspire to govern on a biblical proportion, I call this "the bureaucracy of the galactic space"
I would say its better to learn institution building from German then the anglo saxon9anglo saxon have a ideological nature) and learn liberty from anglo saxon then from germans
I also believe, the muslims world needs Chinese bureaucratic professionalism and wisdom




ps; as for your little claim that jews own the holy land dubious you can`t make relative scenerio go beyond time.
The jewish people arose from Canaanite society and were called hibaru and they accepted monotheism hence the favour of god upon tribe of israel, but they were transgressors and were disloyal to moses and at some point left monotheism and started to worship a cow.

The tribe of Israel was from caanite and were part of the Hyksos so, we can say the tribe of Israel is from the levant but we can`t say that jews are from the levant there is a bigg difference between the historic tribe of Israel and and modern jewish peoples
The difference is like queresh and Muslims, the quran primarly in the land of the quresh and speaks to the quresh but in general sense, so can we say Turkish muslim has a title deed to mecca and historical claim, no of course

The same can be said about European Christians, do german Christians have a claim on Bethlehem and Jerusalem, of course not
There are jews who are decedent of Abraham but they lost their linage once the second temple was destroyed and now the decedents of Abraham and convert jews are like finding a needle in a haystack

And wasn`t Abraham from me Mesopotamia, do the jews have a claim on Iraq and are Iraqis allowed to claim all jews as their people
Dna has proven majority of Ashkenazi are not middle eastern and most Mizrahi jews are non-Levant people

Judsism is like the other two monoistic religions; they are pluralistic in terms of people. what unites the Abrahamic faits is a fait that is not connected to geography or a loyalty to a particular Westphalian nation state.

Zionism originates from Europe during the age of nationalism and it conteparies are german nationalism, polish nationalism, greek nationalism and Italian nationalism
Zionism concept of the jewish people like all the other nationalism which is imagined community
All of nation claim ancient people for themes and denying others any claim even though there might be legitimate reason
Have you considered that Palestinians were at some point of the jewish faith and converted to Christianity and later to islam?


now judism is a religion not a race and the jewish religion is not a title deed to Forty acres and a mule

on jewish conversion

Rabbie eleazar
The lord exiled Israel among the nations so that proselytes might swell their ranks

Shir ha- shirim rabbah
Commontry on the Song of Solomon
As the old man sat preaching, many proselytest were converting at the time

Commentary on ecclesiasts
All rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full.
All the proselytes enter Israel yet Israel is not diminished

F

rom the Mishnah
Talking about a convert
If he is the son of proselyte, do not say to him; remember the acts of your fathers (baba metzia)
Whoever brings one living soul into the fold is to be lauded as though he formed and bore him

[Typhoon]

Abrahamic faits are always universal only a fool would think otherwise

[QuantumSatis]

Good read in general. And Grant is one of those Americans who don't understand the English written bible they read. Will-full blindness sucks and I believe people deserve generally what they find themselves in of confusion and misery. When you submit your responsibility and become a sheep, you are bound to be brainless and die miserable and worthless.


Spending decades worshipping a human being who pissed, ate, and was born to a woman is just mind boggling. I find that degrading and an insult to the intellect of humans. Perfect God or No God. There is nothing in between.

[Grant]

Ty,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

You need to read up on the Jewish ethnic divisions, how they were formed and how they inter-relate, and what the results of the DNA studies have been.

Judaism does not proselytize and makes conversion difficult. This is backed up in the DNA studies where the European admixture to the Ashkenazim was limited to a few women very early on. The Khazar story is a diplomatic myth, whereas the Chinese Jews and the Lemba both have a genetic core that is Israelite. Read on, Sir.

[Typhoon]

Ty,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

You need to read up on the Jewish ethnic divisions, how they were formed and how they inter-relate, and what the results of the DNA studies have been.

Judaism does not proselytize and makes conversion difficult. This is backed up in the DNA studies where the European admixture to the Ashkenazim was limited to a few women very early on. The Khazar story is a diplomatic myth, whereas the Chinese Jews and the Lemba both have a genetic core that is Israelite. Read on, Sir.

you seem very defence old sport, i always assumed you to be anglo saxon
your generation of jews is the most inspiring set of people ever, principled, humanitarian with a sense of moral mission
I am a fan of of what I call alexander pushkin-esque jews with their central european culture and vile private jokes

Grant you wrong to say judaism is a race or ethnicity, speak to the rabbies and they will tell you two things, judaism is a Talmudic religion there is no need for torah and that the jewish people are people of faith not class, blood not based on cultural homogeneity and judaism is based on the observance of the halakhah

While the Jewish people began with the descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, many people have converted to become Jews over the millennia--beginning with the "mixed multitude" that came with us out of Egypt. Today there are African Jews, Japanese Jews, even Eskimo Jews. It seems difficult to call such a mixture a "race".

(Incidently, there is really no such thing as a "race." The term "race" implies to most people that there are different categories of human beings based on their genetic makeup. The fact is that there is no basis in genetics for these distinctions. For example, an African from one family may have more in common genetically with a Swede than with another African.)

What could be said is that we are a "family". A family can adopt others as their own. But there are conditions to adoption. You need to keep the family rules. In our case, those rules have to do with the mission we were given at Mount Sinai over 3300 years ago.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... a-Race.htm

Question: Why do Jewish men like to watch porno movies backward?
Answer: They like the part where the hooker gives the money back.

An Arab asks a Jew on Memorial Day eve: ‘Why do you stand [at attention] at the sound of the siren?’ The Jew answers: ‘We stand silently [at attention] to remember the Jewish soldiers that were killed in Israeli wars.’ The Arab asks: ‘What about our dead?’ The Jew answers, ‘Ah, that we celebrate tomorrow(israel independence day April 22)

listen shlomo ben grant, your Chutzpah is inspiring.....(sarcasticly in a brooklyn yidish old jewish guys accent)
its alright you can be jewish in somalinet, welcome brother

[Grant]

Name calling when data and logic fail?

It so happens I have my genealogy on both sides back to the 1500's, and the marriages were all recorded in Church records.

So much for a debate. Grant out.

[gegiroor]

Ty,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

You need to read up on the Jewish ethnic divisions, how they were formed and how they inter-relate, and what the results of the DNA studies have been.

Judaism does not proselytize and makes conversion difficult. This is backed up in the DNA studies where the European admixture to the Ashkenazim was limited to a few women very early on. The Khazar story is a diplomatic myth, whereas the Chinese Jews and the Lemba both have a genetic core that is Israelite. Read on, Sir.

you seem very defence old sport, i always assumed you to be anglo saxon
your generation of jews is the most inspiring set of people ever, principled, humanitarian with a sense of moral mission
I am a fan of of what I call alexander pushkin-esque jews with their central european culture and vile private jokes

Grant you wrong to say judaism is a race or ethnicity, speak to the rabbies and they will tell you two things, judaism is a Talmudic religion there is no need for torah and that the jewish people are people of faith not class, blood not based on cultural homogeneity and judaism is based on the observance of the halakhah

While the Jewish people began with the descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, many people have converted to become Jews over the millennia--beginning with the "mixed multitude" that came with us out of Egypt. Today there are African Jews, Japanese Jews, even Eskimo Jews. It seems difficult to call such a mixture a "race".

(Incidently, there is really no such thing as a "race." The term "race" implies to most people that there are different categories of human beings based on their genetic makeup. The fact is that there is no basis in genetics for these distinctions. For example, an African from one family may have more in common genetically with a Swede than with another African.)

What could be said is that we are a "family". A family can adopt others as their own. But there are conditions to adoption. You need to keep the family rules. In our case, those rules have to do with the mission we were given at Mount Sinai over 3300 years ago.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... a-Race.htm

Question: Why do Jewish men like to watch porno movies backward?
Answer: They like the part where the hooker gives the money back.

An Arab asks a Jew on Memorial Day eve: ‘Why do you stand [at attention] at the sound of the siren?’ The Jew answers: ‘We stand silently [at attention] to remember the Jewish soldiers that were killed in Israeli wars.’ The Arab asks: ‘What about our dead?’ The Jew answers, ‘Ah, that we celebrate tomorrow(israel independence day April 22)

listen shlomo ben grant, your Chutzpah is inspiring.....(sarcasticly in a brooklyn yidish old jewish guys accent)
its alright you can be jewish in somalinet, welcome brother

[gegiroor]

Lengthy hogwashings!

http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

"THE LAND OF ISRAEL IN QUR'ANIC EXEGESIS

The fundamentalist Muslim program to use Islam as an instrument for political warfare against Jews finds a major obstacle in the Qur'an itself. Both the Bible and the Qur'an state quite clearly that the right of the Israelites to the Land of Israel does not depend on conquest and colonization. This right flows from the will of almighty God Himself.

Both the Jewish and Islamic Scriptures teach that God, through His chosen servant Moses, decided to free the offspring of Jacob from slavery in Egypt and to constitute them as heirs of the Promised Land. Whoever claims that Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel is something new and rooted in human politics denies divine revelation and divine prophecy as explicitly expressed in our Holy Books (the Bible and Koran).

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]



The goal of Zionism applies only to the ancient Jewish homeland. There is nothing universal about it.

http://jewishmag.com/89mag/zionism/zionism.htm

Gibbon gives many reasons for the decline and fall of Rome. The fact is the Germans became ascendant after the Battle of the Teutoberg forest. Rome was immediately forced to abandon England (Britannia) and the Western Empire was eventually replaced by the Holy Roman Empire, which was German. The Eastern Empire was weakened during the Crusades and fell to a Turkish invasion.

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/bat ... inople.htm

It is laughable how the the people who support the illegal, settler, and apartheid state of Israel try to misquote the Holy Qur'an in order to justify the illegal and colonial project of the Antichrist-led Israeli state who earned Allah's Anger, the murderers of the Prophets and the enemies of the Messengers. The termination of this state is announced in the Book of our Lord and proclaimed by our Prophet (saws) - the Holy Quran.

It would be much better for supporters of Israel not to use the Holy Qur'an as a justification for the illegal theft of Palestine and their subsequent plan of creating a Zion empire between Euphrates and the Nile, since when we look at all of the Quranic and ahadith (commentray) of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), their (Jewish) claim of using the Holy Qur'an will be shattered as it is shown in the precepts below from Mission Islam (http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/termination.htm) in the subject titled as, "The Termination of "Israel"- a Qur'anic Fact".

Allah (swt) States: "And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].

In the previous verses, Allah (swt) mentions how the Children of Israel rebelled and disobeyed the Command of Allah, and how they became extremely arrogant. The Qur'anic Mufasiroon (commentators) - May Allah have mercy upon them - have lengthily described how the Jews did mischief on this earth twice. Most of them report that the doing of mischief twice had passed when the Jews killed Zachariah (as) and then killed Yahiah (John) son of Zachariah (as). However, the scholar Al-Shinqeety -may Allah have mercy on him- says in his Tafseer (Adwa'ul-Bayaan), that their conclusions were based on Israi'liat (Jewish reports). Al-Shinqeety in commenting on the verse 'But if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment)', says:

"The Most High explains how he decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed they will do mischief on the earth twice. When the first promise came, He sent against them slaves of His given to terrible warfare who occupied their homes and tortured them. Then, when the second promise came to pass, He sent to them a tribe that made their faces sorrowful and who entered the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and who destroyed with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. He (swt) also explained that if they return to doing mischief for the third time, then He will return to take revenge from them by subjecting their enemies upon them 'but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment)'.


Moreover, Allah (swt) did not explain here whether they have or have not returned to mischief for the third time. However, He did indicate in many other verses that they have returned to mischief by disbelieving in the Messenger [i.e. Muhammad (saws)], by covering his characteristics that are mentioned in their books, and by breaking their covenant with him and supporting his enemies, and many of their other hideous habits. So Allah (swt) has retaliated to fulfil 'but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment)' by sending His Prophet (saws) and the Muslims upon Bani Quraitha and An-Naddeer, Bani Qainuqa' and Khaybar where they were killed, made captives and expelled, and those who remained were forced to pay the Jiziah, so that they were deprived and dishonored. Among the verses that prove their return to mischief is the Sayings of the Most High:

'And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah confirming what is with them [Torah and the Gospel], although a foretime they had invoked Allah [for coming of Muhammad (saws] in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognized, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers. How bad is that for which they have sold their ownselves, that they should disbelieve in that which Allah has revealed (the Qur'an), grudging that Allah should reveal of His Grace unto whom He wills of His slaves. So they have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath. And for the disbelievers, there is disgracing torment' [Qur'an 2:88-90],

and His Saying: 'Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside?' [Qur'an 2:100],

and His Saying: 'And you will not cease to discover deceit in them..' [Qur'an 5:13],

and His Saying: 'And those of the people of the Scripture backed them (the disbelievers) - Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives. And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land, which you had not trodden (before)' [Qur'an 33:26-27]". [Adwa' ul-Bayaan 3/408]

It is evident that Allah has Promised to subject upon the corrupted Children of Israel His believing servants who will afflict them with a horrible torment. And here they are today, they have become tyrants and extremely arrogant, they have spoiled the tillage and the progeny and caused mischief on earth. We ask the Almighty to hasten His Promise for He has Stated:

"And (remember when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them (ie. the Jews), till the Day of Resurrection, those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment. Verily, your Lord is Quick in Retribution (for the disobedient, wicked) and certainly He is Oft-Forgiving (for the obedient and those who beg Allah's Forgiveness)" [Qur'an 7:167].

Commenting on this verse, Ibn Katheer reports how Mousa (as) forced the Jews to pay land tax, then they were conquered by the Greeks, the Kashdanies and others, then they were surmounted and degraded by the Christians, then when Muhammad (saws) came, they were under Islam's subjugation and custody, compelled to pay the land tax and Jiziah. Finally, their end will come when they emerge as supporters of Ad-Dajjal (Anti-Christ), who will be killed by Eesa bin Maryam (Jesus) (as) and the Muslims. This battle will take place at the end of time. [Tafseer Ibn Katheer 2/288]

The Praiseworthy Said: "The Jews say: 'Allah's Hand is tied up (ie. He does not give or spend of His Bounty)'. Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends (of His Bounty) as He wills. Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from Allah increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war, Allah extinguished it; and they (ever) strive to make mischief on earth. And Allah does not like the Mufsidun (mischief-makers)" [5:64].

In this verse, Allah (swt) revealed how their Kuffr, extreme envy and departure from the truth, led them to deceive the believers. He (swt) further revealed that He will defend His believing servants and will repel the conspiracy of the Jews in two ways:

Firstly, He (swt) has put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection, they will never agree upon the truth so long as they deny and disbelieve in the Prophet (saws).

"You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided" [59:14].

Secondly, Allah (swt) has promised to extinguish every fire of war they kindle. Hence, every time they betrayed the Prophet (saws) and the Muslims or continue to contest the religion of Allah, He the Almighty abolishes their cunning ambitions.

It is important for the [people] to know the characteristics of the Jews that are mentioned in Allah's Book because it will be these characteristics that will initiate their downfall and humiliation. Some of these distinctive characteristics of the Jews are explained below:

• They like to spread mischief and corruption on earth and strive hard to accomplish this, "and they (ever) strive to make mischief on earth. And Allah does not like the Mufsidun (mischief-makers)" [5:64].

• They have incurred the Curse and Wrath of Allah. The consensus opinion of the Imams of Tafseer regarding the people asserted in the verse, "those who earned Your Anger" [1:7] is the Jews. This opinion is supported by the Allah's Saying:

• "Say [O Muhammad (saws) to the people of the Scripture]: 'Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swine's, those who worshiped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in Hell-fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)" [5:60].

• They are people of indignity, disobedience and transgression as Stated by Allah (swt): "Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah, and from men; they have drawn on themselves the Wrath of Allah, and destruction is put over them. This is because they disbelieved in the Ayats (evidences, verses, revelations, etc.) of Allah and killed the Prophets without right. This is because they disobeyed (Allah) and used to transgress beyond bounds (in Allah's disobedience, crimes and sins)" [3:112].

• They are people of cowardliness, dismay and weakness as described by Allah (swt): "They fight not against you even together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Their enmity among themselves is very great" [59:14],

• "and if they fight against you, they will show you their backs, and they will not be helped" [3:111].

• As a result of the above, they tend to adhere strongly to this life even if it was a humiliating villainous life, as Allah Said:

• "And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life.." [2:96].

Furthermore, they will always remain divided and disagreed among themselves; and conceal enmity and hatred towards each other as verified by Allah (swt): "We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection" [5:64]. and "You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided" [59:14].

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If one is to follow the stories of the Jews in Surat Al-Baqarah, Al-A'araf and others, and how they treated their prophets, one would find wonders. Their disbelief and rejection of the Message of Allah with utmost arrogance is the true nature of the Jews. That is why no deviant nation has been Cursed by Allah more than that of the children of Israel. They truly earned the Wrath and Resentment of Allah, and thus they have lost all the factors of survival and existence.

As for the glad tidings of the Sunnah which were articulated by the trusted and the trustworthy Prophet Muhammad (saws), Ibn Umar (ra) narrates that the Prophet (saws) said: "The Dajjal (anti-Christ) will appear behind the city, then Allah will exploit the Muslims to kill his followers, so that the Jew would hide under a tree or (behind) a stone, and that tree or stone will say to the Muslim: 'There is a Jew (hiding behind me)! Kill him' " [Reported by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad].

The Prophet's (saws) saying, 'You will fight the Jews' is addressed to the Companions; however, within the context it intends those who come after them. The above mentioned Ahadeeth and others confirm the occurrence of a battle with the Jews wherein they will be killed. Those Ahadeeth embody great tidings for this Ummah, which are the continuity of the religion of Islam till the time when E'esa bin Maryam (Jesus) (as) descends and the continual existence of the Supported Group (At-Ta'ifah Al-Mansoorah) which will continue to fight till he (as) descends as stated by the Prophet (saws):

"There will always remain a group from among my Ummah who will continue to fight by the truth, they are apparent to those who oppose them, until the last (followers) of them fight the Maseeh Ad-Dajjal" [Reported by Ahmad and Abu Dawood].

The Ahadeeth that describes At-Taai'fah Al-Mansoorah are famous and numerous in both of the Saheehs and other compilations. Many of the Sahabah (ra) narrated the descriptions of this group which include the fact that they establish Allah's Commands, and that they are supported and upheld by Allah (swt).

The above mentioned sacred verses and narrations indicate that this Ummah has been promised victory and consolidation when it abides by the prerequisite causative means, ie. when it arms itself with steeds of war and prepares itself to fight for the Cause of Allah (swt). Thereafter, the State of the Jews will perish.

[gegiroor]

Grant,

See also Daniel Prophecies about Israel and its map in your bible:

Daniel 11:45: "(the evil one)* will establish his settlement between Mount Zion (Jerusalem) and the Mediterranean sea". That is precisely Israel today!

Daniel 11:45Contemporary English Version (CEV)

45 After this, he will set up camp between the Mediterranean Sea and Mount Zion. Then he will be destroyed, and no one will be able to save him.

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=CEV

*The evil one here is the Antichrist

[Grant]

Gegiroor,

That quote in Daniel is talking about the King of the North in a battle with the King of the South. Neither King was Jewish. Read 11:21-45. Note that the King of the North is accompanied by Libyans and Cushites....

[thegoodshepherd]

Grant, how can you argue that Jews are an ethnic group when genomics has proved otherwise?
The Falasha Mura of Ethiopia have been found to be of Agew stock with some semetic element grafted on later. The yemenite Jews are in reality more arab than Jewish and even have arab tribesmen among them. Don't even get me started on the Russian jews. They perhaps don't proselytize today, but that does not mean they did not in the past.

If a blond haired man from Danzig and a black man from Bahir Dar are the same ethnicity, then I am a cat.

[Grant]

Grant, how can you argue that Jews are an ethnic group when genomics has proved otherwise?
The Falasha Mura of Ethiopia have been found to be of Agew stock with some semetic element grafted on later. The yemenite Jews are in reality more arab than Jewish and even have arab tribesmen among them. Don't even get me started on the Russian jews. They perhaps don't proselytize today, but that does not mean they did not in the past.

If a blond haired man from Danzig and a black man from Bahir Dar are the same ethnicity, then I am a cat.

You need to be taking meow classes! The Lemba and the Ashkenazim have the same DNA at their cores. Read the article I posted above on Jewish ethnicities. Also, check this out:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... dents.html

President of the United States Lyndon Baines Johnson was white Irish, right? NO! He was E1b1b1

Phenotype does not necessarily follow genotype.