Why ISIS resembles a cult

[Abdi999]

In my opinion there are many reasons why people support IS

This includes:

Outrage about the suffering taking place in the Ummah today, particularly in Iraq and Sham and feel that IS are the solution to this.

The establishment of a Khilafah is the aspiration of all Muslims - a pure Islamic state legislated by the word of Allah SWT, a sanctuary for all Muslims


However, its supporters appear for the most appear to be carried away with their romanticism and do not notice that reality is not what they hope it to be.
They think that just because it calls itself Khilafah - that it just is one. They are also overly willing to ignore and overlook all excesses and deviations by the group simply because it calls itself Khilafah. The only important thing is that it claims to be Khilafah - nothing else matters except the title.

There also seems to me to be a bit of a cult arrangement going on. I have studied cults at length, including the Aum Shinrikyo group, Jim Jones, Scientology and others, and there are several parallels with IS.

The reverence of the leader

The difference between cults and religions is that cults are all about the leader - usually a living human that has afforded him/herself divinity and demands absolute obedience. Often followers are willing to kill and die for this leader and will accept anything they say, regardless of how illogical or unorthodox it is.

IS is all about al-Baghdadi. Several editions of Dabiq magazine, including the latest one have demanded obedience to him, under threat of going to Jahanam if one does not give bay'ah to him. Essentially, he is the gatekeeper to Jannah - one may only enter through him. This is classic cult leader mentality.

Baghdadi acts in a similar way to cult leaders in so far as that he is hidden all the time. The only images we have of him are from one speech he gave after the establishment of his Khilafah and some mugshots. This has given him a kind of mystical aura which is perhaps captivating to some people. What do we actually really know about him? Why does he remain hidden all the time? Even Zawahiri, who is always in hiding, is able to show his face and to give speeches, so why is the "emir al-Mu'meen" so allusive?

People are so enthralled by him that they are willing to kill and die for him and to serve him unconditionally and without question.


Unorthodoxy and deviance from the mainstream religious conventions

There are many Christian based cults and sects that can be loosely based on Christianity, yet deviate in major ways. A cult leader may claim that he is a prophet, or maybe even the reincarnation of Isa (AS) himself. He may also produce absolutely bizarre and unorthodox claims that him way outside the fold of Christianity. He and his associates will tell the followers that all other Christians are deviants, corrupted, misguided, sinful and destined to Hell and that only the followers of this cult and its leader follow the correct path and will achieve salvation.

The early Khawarij were a bit like this. They claimed that only they were on the Haqq and all other Muslims were murtadeen and should be killed. IS also have similar aspects of this mentality. They have claimed that Muslims that do not give bay'ah to Baghdadi can be fought for this reason alone. They claim that only they follow the correct manhaj and that they will sweep way all others that do not believe as they do like the flood of Nuh (AS). They throw takfir around all over the place and easily kill those they consider "murtadeen". All of the mainstream scholars oppose them and have denounced them as being deviants. Nevertheless IS consider that they are correct and that all of the ulema are deviants, just like Christian cults that claim themselves to be the only saved sect - even if all others write them off.

Deviant and extreme beliefs

Furthermore, the group follow dubious opinions, including that killing civilians from non-Muslim countries is permissible and that there is no difference in ruling between killing combatant and non-combatant. This is false, Islam prohibits killing civilians and no one has ever proved it is permissible form Islam - killing innocents so constitutes murder, a very serious sin.

They also missaply the principle of qisas (equal retribution). What ISIS supporters will never be able to answer is why Jordanian pilot Moath al-Kesesbeh deserved being burned alive due to killing Muslim civilians (unintentionally through collateral damage), IS members are not similarly accountable for the many Muslims killed during their bombing campaigns in markets and with the Amman hotel bombings where many dozens of Muslim civilians were slaughtered, including a wedding procession.

Attempt to separate followers from their families

Another major difference between cults and religions is the treatment of parents. Islam teaches us to respect our parents, even if they are non-Muslims. Cults try to encourage their followers to abandon their families and friends, claiming them to be hostile and sources of corruption.

IS actively encourage their members to defy their families and to abandon them. Girls are enrouaged to emigrate without permission of her wali, and it is then claimed that fighters of even Baghdadi himself is the wali. In the sixth edition of Dabiq, it even tells readers to defy their parents if they discourage them from going to fight for IS, claiming them to be enemies of Islam. This statement basically encourages kids to make takfir of their parents. This is something unusual in Islam


Brainwashed members who are impossible to reason with

Cult members are typically absolutely fanatically and unreservedly devoted to their group. They refuse to accept any argument against the group, no matter how well grounded in reason and logic it is. It is extremely difficult to reach out to those that have been indoctrinated into a cult. There is a special process called "deprogramming" for this purpose. I have noticed the same brainwashed mentality among some IS supporters. Cults clearly have a powerful effect on the psychology of their followers. Even long after the exposure and death of the leaders, their followers often continue to revere them many years later.



Then again I maintain an open mind and welcome anyone to dispute what I say.
I do encourage people to do a bit of research of cults and see if they do perhaps spot some similarities.

[TheCadaanGuy]

Well said.

[afisoone]

redo it..

[afisoone]

thanks..

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Wahabism itself is a cult religion.. saudi arabia and ISIS and the person who started the threat all of you are followers of cult sect called wahaabism or salafism.. 90% of muslims does not want so called Chalifate.. Caliphate state its just a wahaabi minoraty dream. islam history there was never calilphate or singal single government controlling all muslims.. when cali bin khdaab was caliphe.. mucawiya was rebell leader against cali... After cali. mucaawiya formed singal qabiil based umayyad dynasty like kim il joung of north korean, father to son style goverment and so on and until the end of dictatorship called caliphate..

Muslims does not want fake wahaabi invanted called caliphate . Muslims want democracy and separation state and religion.. Real Islam is for separation state and religion.

[Kaafiye]

Wahabism itself is a cult religion.. saudi arabia and ISIS and the person who started the threat all of you are followers of cult sect called wahaabism or salafism.. 90% of muslims does not want so called Chalifate.. Caliphate state its just a wahaabi minoraty dream. islam history there was never calilphate or singal single government controlling all muslims.. when cali bin khdaab was caliphe.. mucawiya was rebell leader against cali... After cali. mucaawiya formed singal qabiil based umayyad dynasty like kim il joung of north korean, father to son style goverment and so on and until the end of dictatorship called caliphate..

Muslims does not want fake wahaabi invanted called caliphate . Muslims want democracy and separation state and religion.. Real Islam is for separation state and religion.

Your shamelessness knows no bounds. You do realize that it's possible to despise ISIS and all other terrorist groups while at the same time being in favor of a Muslim State that implements the Shariah of Allah....right?

And who do you think you are, speaking on behalf of Muslims as to what they prefer? Time and time again, Pew Research Polls show that Muslims around the world overwhelmingly prefer to be ruled by the Shariah of Allah, even in secular countries such as Turkey. You secularists are on the losing side of history, and you can't stop the tide of Islam no matter how hard you try

[afisoone]

Wahabism itself is a cult religion.. saudi arabia and ISIS and the person who started the threat all of you are followers of cult sect called wahaabism or salafism.. 90% of muslims does not want so called Chalifate.. Caliphate state its just a wahaabi minoraty dream. islam history there was never calilphate or singal single government controlling all muslims.. when cali bin khdaab was caliphe.. mucawiya was rebell leader against cali... After cali. mucaawiya formed singal qabiil based umayyad dynasty like kim il joung of north korean, father to son style goverment and so on and until the end of dictatorship called caliphate..

Muslims does not want fake wahaabi invanted called caliphate . Muslims want democracy and separation state and religion.. Real Islam is for separation state and religion.

Who is Cali bin khadaab?

You don't nothing about sahabada and you are discusing about Islam.

That is donkey move...

[grandpakhalif]

Wahabism itself is a cult religion.. saudi arabia and ISIS and the person who started the threat all of you are followers of cult sect called wahaabism or salafism.. 90% of muslims does not want so called Chalifate.. Caliphate state its just a wahaabi minoraty dream. islam history there was never calilphate or singal single government controlling all muslims.. when cali bin khdaab was caliphe.. mucawiya was rebell leader against cali... After cali. mucaawiya formed singal qabiil based umayyad dynasty like kim il joung of north korean, father to son style goverment and so on and until the end of dictatorship called caliphate..

Muslims does not want fake wahaabi invanted called caliphate . Muslims want democracy and separation state and religion.. Real Islam is for separation state and religion.

Who is Cali bin khadaab?

You don't nothing about sahabada and you are discusing about Islam.

That is donkey move...

hahhaha what a dameer

[LeJusticier]

cali bin khdaab





Judgement and illiteracy @ its best

[gurey25]

big time fail yalaxow...

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Cali bin abi daalib of course .... Sharia is a man made mideavel laws . 95% of Sharia laws was written by the Sheikhs of the 4 mad-habs . Majorty of Muslims does not want wahaabi utopia. cutting hands. Selling slaves in the market. crucifying behaading people in the market.. No idiots..

Islam and politics should not be mixed.. religion and state do not mix.. Saudi Arabia and ISIS and other majaaniin salafi organasations tried to rule Sharia man made laws and you see the result of that .. .. Caliphate is a BIDCA fabricated by salafism.. there was never Utopia caliphate--- first 33 years from abubakar to cali were constant civil war, thousends of muslims were killed. and after cali bin abii daalib, a Clan ruled dynasty of UMAYAD slave owners family ruled ..your all brainwashed by salafism... salafism is a cult.. Islam is a beautifull religion and islam should stay inside the masjid only and not mix whit politics..

[TheCadaanGuy]

[Kaafiye]

Cali bin abi daalib of course .... Sharia is a man made mideavel laws . 95% of Sharia laws was written by the Sheikhs of the 4 mad-habs . Majorty of Muslims does not want wahaabi utopia. cutting hands. Selling slaves in the market. crucifying behaading people in the market.. No idiots..

Islam and politics should not be mixed.. religion and state do not mix.. Saudi Arabia and ISIS and other majaaniin salafi organasations tried to rule Sharia man made laws and you see the result of that .. .. Caliphate is a BIDCA fabricated by salafism.. there was never Utopia caliphate--- first 33 years from abubakar to cali were constant civil war, thousends of muslims were killed. and after cali bin abii daalib, a Clan ruled dynasty of UMAYAD slave owners family ruled ..your all brainwashed by salafism... salafism is a cult.. Islam is a beautifull religion and islam should stay inside the masjid only and not mix whit politics..

Saudi Arabia and their ideology is responsible for the Caliphate?



This Yalaxoow guy is too retarded to realize how backwards his history is

[TheCadaanGuy]

@OP, seeing I gave you praise soon after this thread was posted. I've given it some more thought...

I would suggest including more examples rather than just Christians and also include examples of atheists. This can be useful when debating others using this statement.

[Abdi999]

@OP, seeing I gave you praise soon after this thread was posted. I've given it some more thought...

I would suggest including more examples rather than just Christians and also include examples of atheists. This can be useful when debating others using this statement.

Christian cults are well documented because there have been so many of them. Islam seems to be more resistant to cults. There are some that have existed over the years including the Khwarji cult of Juhaiman who hijacked the Kaba in 1979 and some others.

What makes IS unique is that it demands complete reverence to their mysterous leader, who they pretty much consider the gatekeeper to Jannah (they said that Muslims who die without giving bayah to him die as jahils), and represent a tiny minority among Muslims today which consider all the rest (99.9999999999%) to be deviants They also demand Muslims to break away from their families. All typical cult factors.

It is not an issue with Wahabiism or whatever that people are saying. There is something fundamentally different and sinister about this group...