I finally understand Mustafe Cagjar. Cagjar wants to "arrest" Ahmed Madoobe negative legacy for MX-OG future peace.

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I finally understand Mustafe Cagjar. Cagjar wants to "arrest" Ahmed Madoobe negative legacy for MX-OG future peace.

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Cagjar has promised Marehan representation in Somali Region---for the first time in 80 years since "Carro Mareexaan" or "Marehan country" came under the control of Ethiopia during the scramble for Africa and colonialism.

Marehan Country is 90% of the land east of the line connecting the town of Warder to the town of Shilabo.

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  • Marehan Country in Korahe
    • 2/3 of Shilabo district
      • Principal center is Laasocaanood followed by Fadhigaraadle and Ceel Baxay
  • Marehan Country in Doollo
    • 1/2 of Geladi district
      • Principal center is Yamaarugley followed by Urmadag and Duuban
    • 1/3 of Warder district
      • Principal center is Cilaanle followed by Ceel Dibir and Burgeesoole.
Mustafe Cagjar has, again, promised Marehan representation [and since has promised Dhulbahante as well].

Majerten received representation having changed their relationship with Ethiopia long ago and even working with them starting in 1978.

Marehan and Dhulbahante have been wholly and entirely kept disenfranchised---especially Marehan as almost 80% of Marehan Country in central plateau fell under the Ethiopian side of the border since lines were instituted.

Just imagine---80% of Marehan Country has been virtually and consequentially kept politically "disenfranchised;" kept in limbo invisible, dark, a territory without a face.

Despite unimaginable pressure and some of the most targeted displacement attempts tried anywhere in Somali territory---Marehan still occupy in form and spirit almost the entirety of their land to this day.

They have broken the back of all attempts at displacement---only withdrawing or moving back from historical grazing, not settlement as there are no settlements there of anyone else even today, of the grazing land near Feerfeer in the Hiiraan region of Feerfeer district.

Marehan have not lost nor do they even share with anyone Fadhigaraadle in the southwest, Laasocaanood in the west, Cilaanle in the northwest, and Yamaarugley in the north just outside Galaadi.

But they have been kept absent and invisible where political representation matters.

They just exist. They graze as always. They still breath the air and utilize the equities of their "Buuro" territory.

They trek up the lush incline valleys of Ceel Baxay, of Ceel Dibir, of Raqo, of Golwayn, of Burgeesoole.

They meander in the ponds and waterholes of Abda'ale, of Bali Jibra'il, of Dhigih, of Doorshaan, of Tuulo Hananle.

They still drink from the wells and water systems of Qorof, of Balanbal Oomane, of Barre Waal, of Ahmed Gurey, of Badrol Dadis.

But, not a representative from them effects legal authority over their equity and nor do those awarded legal representation effect any real authority over them as well.


Until Mustafe Cagjar came along and said to Marehan---I promise to bring you out from this absence-in-perpetuity and end this unjust darkness and superficial non-existence.

I questioned his motive. He is just another Ogaden man, just like all the others before him in Jigjiga with the mantal of regional overlordship over Somali Region representing Ethiopia, who found themselves uninspired by the injustice towards Marehan Country in the vast eastern territory of Somali Region. Why did Cagjar care?

I think I now understand Cagjar.

Jubbaland and Ahmed Madoobe probably has something to do with it---because if Ogaden have hegemony over Somali Region, Marehan has hegemony over Jubbaland.

Right this second if Kenyan troops were to withdraw from Kismaayo---Ahmed Madoobe cannot sit in Kismaayo for 24 hours. I am unconcerned with tribal bravado and ego that would contest this, because history says this and has proven it many times before it.

Yet Ahmed Madoobe has not shown the understanding nor the appreciation of the opportune luck that befell him, now with the security guarantee of foreign forces situating him in power, to reach a lasting and durable settlement with Marehan in Jubbaland on Ogadeni terms.

0. Nothing.

Today in Jubbaland might as well be the 1st day the KDF captured Kismaayo---Jubbaland is no closer to a lasting agreement or understanding between Marehan and Ogaden. The second the KDF withdraws, Jubbaland might as well be 90's Somalia in clan tussling.

So Mustafe, as another Ogaden with power of "de jure" authority over another large Marehan equity, has picked up the ball dropped by Ahmed Madoobe and wants to extend goodwill to Marehan that will compete with the negative memory of Madoobe in a future "settling" of the Jubbaland question.

I firmly believe this is Cagjar's motivation.

Somalis are vengeful and no single group are as vengeful as Marehan, even militantly and unyielding in revenge as recognized by the most infamous of Somali sayings concerning a Somali clan; "Qaan Mareexaan waa Qaaxo kugu maqan."

In 1991, Borana Oromo, with help from Degoodiye, displaced Marehan from Liban Region. Today, Marehan have the first Somali district of theirs in the territory of Negele wrenched from both Borana and Degoodiye land division, after coming back with a 10 year successful war driven by revenge. The capital of this reconquest is the created settlement of Deka Suftu.

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In 1991, Habar Gidir, with help of the USC grand alliances, displaced Marehan from grazing in Gelinsoor district of Mudug. Today, Marehan have their first districts between Puntland and Galmudug wrenched back from Sacad and Salesbaan land divisions, after coming back with almost a similar 10 year successful war driven by revenge. The capital of this reconquest is the created settlement of Saaxo.

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Qaan Mareexaan waa qaaxo kugu maqan is real as evidenced from this observation of Marehan revenge, without failure, manifesting itself in this very observable test of it in the very last 30 years of Somali history.

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And Ahmed Madoobe has inspired nothing else but that beast.

So Cagjar, seeing the destructive seeds planted by Madoobe implicating Ogaden and Marehan relationship, has, in my opinion, responded with a historical and unprecedented development of goodwill capable of arresting the negative legacy of Madoobe.

Ogaden can work with Marehan for real justice in Somali Region to make possible Marehan working with Ogaden for real justice in Jubbaland.

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President of Somali Region, Mustafe Cagjar, with the Prince of Marehan in central plateu, Ugas Mohamed [Keyse] Ugas Ahmed Ugas Farah---in the Marehan settlement of Yamaarugley kebele, Geladi woreda, Doollo district, Somali Region, Ethiopia; the day he made the promise to make possible Marehan enfranchisement in Somali Region.
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Right this second if Kenyan troops were to withdraw from Kismaayo---Ahmed Madoobe cannot sit in Kismaayo for 24 hours. I am unconcerned with tribal bravado and ego that would contest this, because history says this and has proven it many times before it.

Don’t bother:

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Before i read your thread i read this post here.



What caught my attention is the presence of feds this time who never bother with settlements between somali clans. this means they are being informed of new changes. The objective is really peace, a long-lasting one that is. We might welcome MX zone anytime now.

Ugaas keyse has done a very excellent job.
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Yh this to me looks like nothing to do with cagjar. Hulkujir said it the best. Cagjar hasn't shown anything to mx. He showed more to isaaq and mj then mx.

Plus it was ethiopian army and police there with the young ugaas. This is way over the pay grade of cagjar. Ethiopia wants to seduce mx we should drive a hard bargain.

Own gobol.
3 wordea in the gobol
Mx liyu guarding the gobol.
Both federal and national representation for mx in ethiopia.
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Nomand wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:00 pm Yh this to me looks like nothing to do with cagjar. Hulkujir said it the best. Cagjar hasn't shown anything to mx. He showed more to isaaq and mj then mx.

Plus it was ethiopian army and police there with the young ugaas. This is way over the pay grade of cagjar. Ethiopia wants to seduce mx we should drive a hard bargain.

Own gobol.
3 wordea in the gobol
Mx liyu guarding the gobol.
Both federal and national representation for mx in ethiopia.
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Sbashi wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:44 pm Before i read your thread i read this post here.



What caught my attention is the presence of feds this time who never bother with settlements between somali clans. this means they are being informed of new changes. The objective is really peace, a long-lasting one that is. We might welcome MX zone anytime now.

Ugaas keyse has done a very excellent job.

My my my, he just got back to Caabudwaaq yesterday---and already the good Prince is holding court in Fadhigaaraadle;

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𝐅𝐀𝐃𝐇𝐈-𝐆𝐀𝐑𝐀𝐀𝐃𝐋𝐄 ---

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---developments are accelerating!
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Nomand wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:00 pm Yh this to me looks like nothing to do with cagjar. Hulkujir said it the best. Cagjar hasn't shown anything to mx. He showed more to isaaq and mj then mx.

Plus it was ethiopian army and police there with the young ugaas. This is way over the pay grade of cagjar. Ethiopia wants to seduce mx we should drive a hard bargain.

Own gobol.
3 wordea in the gobol
Mx liyu guarding the gobol.
Both federal and national representation for mx in ethiopia.
As of now I have no reason to suspect this is not with the concurrence and support of Mustafe Cagjar and I have seen no evidence to speculate otherwise.

Mustafe Cagjar is in a predicament---because, according to my observation, the "entire" clan of Ogaadeen are vehemently and viscerally opposed to any recognition or justice for Marehan in eastern Somali region--- even expressing physical sickness at the thought.

Ever once in a while, I go to look at what "Mire Iro" is saying (and this man makes ME sick coming across the degree of his enmity and hatred for Marehan) and I never leave without reconfirming how existentially threatening any recognition or justice for Marehan in Somali Region is for Ogaadeen [They really exhibit the paranoia moving forward towards historical justice on this issue somehow threatens their entire legitimacy to "Somali Region."]

So Mustafe CAN do something for Isaaq or Majerteen equity in Somali Region while being completely checked by the level or degree of Ogaden disagreement towards Marehan.

To move the issue of Marehan justice forward, the spell has to be broken first and that will be the first official act of recognition of Marehan existence, historically and presently, of what is really a vast territory until now kept completely disenfranchised.
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Gubbet wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:42 am
Nomand wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:00 pm Yh this to me looks like nothing to do with cagjar. Hulkujir said it the best. Cagjar hasn't shown anything to mx. He showed more to isaaq and mj then mx.

Plus it was ethiopian army and police there with the young ugaas. This is way over the pay grade of cagjar. Ethiopia wants to seduce mx we should drive a hard bargain.

Own gobol.
3 wordea in the gobol
Mx liyu guarding the gobol.
Both federal and national representation for mx in ethiopia.
As of now I have no reason to suspect this is not with the concurrence and support of Mustafe Cagjar and I have seen no evidence to speculate otherwise.

Mustafe Cagjar is in a predicament---because, according to my observation, the "entire" clan of Ogaadeen are vehemently and viscerally opposed to any recognition or justice for Marehan in eastern Somali region--- even expressing physical sickness at the thought.

Ever once in a while, I go to look at what "Mire Iro" is saying (and this man makes ME sick coming across the degree of his enmity and hatred for Marehan) and I never leave without reconfirming how existentially paranoid any recognition or justice for Marehan in Somali Region is for Ogaadeen.

So Mustafe CAN do something for Isaaq or Majerteen equity in Somali Region while being completely checked by the level or degree of Ogaden disagreement towards Marehan.

To move the issue of Marehan justice forward, the spell has to be broken first and that will be the first official act of recognition of Marehan existence, historically and presently, of what is really a vast territory until now kept completely disenfranchised.

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ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:05 am


Bryden? Surprising :leon:
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Gubbet wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:09 am
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:05 am


Bryden? Surprising :leon:

The difference is this. They all British:

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Nomand wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:00 pm Yh this to me looks like nothing to do with cagjar. Hulkujir said it the best. Cagjar hasn't shown anything to mx. He showed more to isaaq and mj then mx.

Plus it was ethiopian army and police there with the young ugaas. This is way over the pay grade of cagjar. Ethiopia wants to seduce mx we should drive a hard bargain.

Own gobol.
3 wordea in the gobol
Mx liyu guarding the gobol.
Both federal and national representation for mx in ethiopia.
I have no ill will towards Cagjar, he isn't pro-MX and I don't have that expectation from a shisheeye.
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Nomand wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:00 pm
Own gobol.
3 wordea in the gobol
Mx liyu guarding the gobol.
Both federal and national representation for mx in ethiopia.
Remember recognition for Deka Suftu started with campaign to have "Harro Marehan" established as a legitimate locality (recognition).

"Harro Marehan" made way for quick succession of "Deka" kabele then "Deka Suftu" woreda.

The important thing is to "break the spell" as this is undoing 80 years of disenfranchisement.

It is not so important to immediately have a region like '"Doollo" or "Korahe," but to begin with at least 1 woreda recognized to Marehan name.

Wardere and Geladi are both woredas of Doollo and Shilabo a woreda of Korahe.

So we just need 1 woreda to break the 80 year spell.

Then given the extent of our land now divided between 2 regions (Doollo & Korahe) and 3 woreda (Geladi, Shilabo, and Warder)---

---it will be very shortly thereafter when we pull a Garre and "Dawa" region. Remember Garre had his land divided between two regions (Liban and Mooyaale) and multiple woreda (Qadaduma, Mubarak, Hudet) before he successfully lobbied to reorganize everything in a "Garre" region of Dawa.

Marehan territory is very obviously 4 woreda;

1. Northeastern (Wagardhac-led) centered around Qorof and including Ramalo, Hananwaylood, etc. Including the border with Somalia from Saaxo to Bali Abdi Ali
2. Northern (Celi-led) centered around Yamaarugley and including Kugudharabtay, Urmadag, etc. Does not have a border with Somalia.
3. In the Center (Bah-Ogaadeen led) centered around Cilaanle and including Ceel Dibir, Raqo, etc. Including the border with Somalia from Bali Abdi Ali to Balanbale.
4. Southern (Bah-Hawiye led) centered around Fadhigaraadle and including Ahmed Gureey, Goohweyne, etc Including the border with Somalia from Balanbale to Feerfeer.

Lasoano as the biggest settlement can be the regional center.

This is just a rough, quick theory as obviously others have different considerations or opinions.

But generally, yes, Marehan territories are "region" worthy and very clearly are 3-5 woredas (they are already broken down between 3 woreda).

But before all of that ---even 1 woreda recognized to Marehan is what we need...just 1 at first to break the 80 year spell.

As for Marehan Liyu---that is hand in hand with the entire proposal.

Just look at what Wagardhac have done to completely stabilize the border between Mudug and Ethiopia after they got Gahandhale ("Kaxandhaale") recognized as a "kebele" on the border.

A large part of the insecurity in the Somalia-Ethiopia borders is entirely resulting from the political gray hole!

One cannot attempt to protect their garden by locking the front door if the backyard has no fence at all!

Empowering Marehan to have legitimate authority over his territory in Ethiopia will close the loophole Marehan themselves despise for inviting insecurity to their lands!

Already, even before the political recognition---the man incharge of "border security" for Ethiopia in the border between the Shabelle River to Buuhoodle is a Marehan; Uurdooh Shaaciye!

The second we are given the recognition of authority to our land in Ethiopia, the first thing we will do is lock the gate to all elements from Somalia to the east of us!

Trust me if we can lock out Somalia's anarchy, instability, and Al Shabaab terrorism on the east to even Caabudwaaq and Balanbale immediately on the Somalia side of the border we would right this second!

The border between Somalia and Ethiopia is the "home" of Marehan. Finally giving us legitimate authority over it is the single biggest security guarantee Ethiopia has for a stabilized, finally "under control" border.

We want to finally stop all the trespassing, criminality, and loitering around our home more than anyone else!
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For historical continuity

1873 -- French travelor Antoine D'Abbadie
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1899 -- Italian travelor Robecchi Brichetti
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1935 -- Italian Istituto Geografico Militare
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1946 -- British War Office
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1949 Italian Istituto Geografico Militare
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1887 -- British War Office
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1896 -- Italian Carta Demostrativa Dell'Etiopia
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1949 -- Declassified CIA map made for UN Security Council
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1955 -- US Army Corps of Engineers
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A composite of multiple historical maps as a snapshot
[Warder settlement with dark circle for reference]
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