1 amhara dead, but he took 6 tplf soldiers with him

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Re: 1 amhara dead, but he took 6 tplf soldiers with him

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Waachis wrote: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:58 pm
St8OuttaDirree wrote: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:47 pm
Waachis wrote: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:40 pm ''They are two tribes called Baraytuma and Boran.1 Baraytuma had six children: the eldest was called Karayu, the second Marawa, the third Itu, the fourth Akacu, the fifth Warantisa, the sixth Humbana. The father of Boran was called Sapira. Sapira* begot Daca; Daca begot Mafa; Maca begot Da'ale and Jida ... 1 Baraytuma is also written Bartuma by Bahrey; other forms are Barei- tuma and Barentu. * Sapira may be written here by mistake for Boran. Cf. the last paragraph of this chapter.''

[Works, Volume 107
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That’s wrong. Ittu is a nickname. The clan is actually Marawa. Warantisha is the name that was used for the Arsi those days.


really? hmmm. well, these are europeans, so who did they get this info from is the question

Maybe an Oromo who wasn’t familiar with the clan structure? And it’s known that there are 5sons of Barento, not 6.

It doesn’t include the Dhumuga/Xamuuga that the Arsi hail from. Ittu people will tell you they are from Marawa.

I forget the name of the book, but Prof. Mohammed Hassan has work on the Oromo clans, and it shows the info I’ve provided.

I’m very familiar with the Bareentuma clan structure and have been studying it for sometime now.

Watch the below clip in regards to Marawa/Ittu info.

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that's also possible. interesting indeed. i know a lot more about my maccaa clan, but not much about the eastern clans, which I just started doing research on.
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Zuumale, as I knew back in the day Obo were Dir. Saynab C/laahi Baxsan was one of them, as far as Nole is concerned they were known of being Habar Awal.
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zidane88 wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:05 pm Zuumale, as I knew back in the day Obo were Dir. Saynab C/laahi Baxsan was one of them, as far as Nole is concerned they were known of being Habar Awal.
Obo and Oborra are two different things bro. Oborra is one of the four branches of the Afran Qallo confederation. Obo are just one subclan of Akisho/Gurre. For example, the Akisho that live Qabribayax are Obo. However, there are Akisho in Hararghe that are part of the Oborra; one of the subclans of Oborra is called Akisho.

The Somalis that are part of the Afran Qallo are a confusing bunch, they maintain their Abtirsi and know their Somali origins but are culturally mixed. Check the following video of Babille Oromos and how they have a dual identity.



The population of Misraq Hararghe is around 3 million, a sizeable number of them are Somali-Oromo hybrids.
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Hawadey hararis are reer samatar reer hawadr. and ilamo and noolo oromos both cabdalle siciid my 9th ancestor is buried in harar. Hawaday is reeer hawade reer samatar cabdalle.siciid ismaciil gibriel. That's my clan.

Qabribayax is jidwaaq yabare abaskuuk and bartire yabare is abare he was named after a big abaar. Garaad wilwaal had a few incursions with the gallas. Also shire sharmakre adan who was isxaaq carre hy had many fight an with oromos. Barsuug are Arab They can found in diredawa.
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The people on and around the border between the oromo and Somalis are very much mixed.
I'm not even from there and got mistaken for being Somali so Many times
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Waachis all cushites look the same oromo afranqallu karrayu arsi look very similar to somali. Borana are a bit darker. But you can tell that they are the childeren of hiil. Read the books of abdulqadir oromo a somali hawiye scholar. In negeyle my clan reer samatar had many contacts with borana. I have visited Nazareth and the oromos there you can telk that they are distant cousins linguistically. Beja afar saho sidamo isaaq oromo are all closely related
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Khalid Ali wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:12 pm Hawadey hararis are reer samatar reer hawadr. and ilamo and noolo oromos both cabdalle siciid my 9th ancestor is buried in harar. Hawaday is reeer hawade reer samatar cabdalle.siciid ismaciil gibriel. That's my clan.

Qabribayax is jidwaaq yabare abaskuuk and bartire yabare is abare he was named after a big abaar. Garaad wilwaal had a few incursions with the gallas. Also shire sharmakre adan who was isxaaq carre hy had many fight an with oromos. Barsuug are Arab They can found in diredawa.
Barsug are mentioned in Futuh Al Habash and are a clan with a distinct lineage, there are Arabs among them but the clan in itself was an independent Somali speaking clan that had thousands of warriors when Richard Burton visited Harar. At that time, the Arab paid Qadhan with the Cidagalle dominated Habar Garxajis.
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Khalid Ali wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:25 pm Waachis all cushites look the same oromo afranqallu karrayu arsi look very similar to somali. Borana are a bit darker. But you can tell that they are the childeren of hiil. Read the books of abdulqadir oromo a somali hawiye scholar. In negeyle my clan reer samatar had many contacts with borana. I have visited Nazareth and the oromos there you can telk that they are distant cousins linguistically. Beja afar saho sidamo isaaq oromo are all closely related

agreed. the afar claim to be the purest cushitic speakers, as in, they inter-married with others the least.
where can i find that book? did u know my father and uncles spoke multiple languages? af soomali, afaan oromo, Sidaamu Afoo[the sidama language], etc...
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The good thing I like about oromo is they are multilingual the oromo in the center shewa tulama speak amharic and oromo . Raya oromo speak tigray and oromo. Eastern oromo speak somali and oromo. One day I wanna learn afaan oromo to. I like to learn sidano to. We isaaqs we are true Horners you wil find isaaq in isiolo southern central Kenya..you will find isaaq in Aden Sanca and Aden. In diredawanharar jigjiga hawd and hararghe. We should celebrate our similarities instead of our differences. Assemera affars are mostly reer jabuuti the red one They are the red sea afars. They closely related to the Sahos of eritrea
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zumaale wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:29 pm
Khalid Ali wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:12 pm Hawadey hararis are reer samatar reer hawadr. and ilamo and noolo oromos both cabdalle siciid my 9th ancestor is buried in harar. Hawaday is reeer hawade reer samatar cabdalle.siciid ismaciil gibriel. That's my clan.

Qabribayax is jidwaaq yabare abaskuuk and bartire yabare is abare he was named after a big abaar. Garaad wilwaal had a few incursions with the gallas. Also shire sharmakre adan who was isxaaq carre hy had many fight an with oromos. Barsuug are Arab They can found in diredawa.
Barsug are mentioned in Futuh Al Habash and are a clan with a distinct lineage, there are Arabs among them but the clan in itself was an independent Somali speaking clan that had thousands of warriors when Richard Burton visited Harar. At that time, the Arab paid Qadhan with the Cidagalle dominated Habar Garxajis.



Yeah you 're right the one I met claim thoughts maxammad ibn Arab ibn sheikh isxaaq. And yes you are right Arab came under the ciidagalle sultanate abdi ciise reer guleed. Sultan farax and sultan diiriye. Until the turks came and the Arab started revolt against sultan farax. And wants to crown their own sultan. Lix halkad ku joogtan dagaal laabta ku ogaada. Farax nuur. And ofcourse sultan nuur dhegocun. Arab are strong
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That whole Hararge area from Jigjiga to Awasha have mixed people of Oromo and Somalis, and one couldn't differentiate one from another, but the sad truth is they started to butcher each other now. The clan disease from Somalia spread into that area now.
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